The Reason Why Jehovah's Witnesses Have No Real Hope

by minimus 45 Replies latest jw friends

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  Dismembered

  Jehovah's Witnesses were suckered!

  I call it power burned, snake bit, and butt-fu''ked.

  Dismembered
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  minimus

  Well, Dis, that's one way of putting it.
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  Jim_TX

  I agree with minimus's thoughts on this. Most folks who are still JWs - who have been 'in' for a long time - know - deep inside that they were 'duped' - but feel trapped, and not able to just walk away. (I'm talking about folks who have been JWs since the '60s.)

  Outlaw said - "I went to a Dub funeral..There were pleny of dubs..None of them were concerned about death..It was a none issue"

  I disagree with this. I attended my mother's funeral a few years ago. She had the 'hope' - and she also drug us, her kids along with her - to the meetings - and then later getting baptized - into that religion.

  Anyway - at her funeral, I overheard my older sister telling another JW - "...well, we all thought that the 'new system' would've been here by now..." the look on her face said it all. Dispair - hopelessness... sadness that our mother had died, yes - but something deeper.

  All of my JW siblings are dying off... yet, they still wait for 'the new system'. However... if one were able to get an honest answer out of them... one might hear what they REALLY think... and that is that they were tricked - and have wasted their lives 'waiting' for something that will never come.

  Regards,

  Jim TX
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  minimus

  The truth hurts. People don't want to face it.
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  shopaholic

  They don't know what to believe. Many claim that the end is right around the corner but say things like "Even if the end doesn't come in my lifetime.". Yes, they have started to say this. This VERY common among late 30-somethings and older that were raised in the organization. Many no longer believe they will see it in their lifetime.
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  OUTLAW

  Outlaw said - "I went to a Dub funeral..There were pleny of dubs..None of them were concerned about death..It was a none issue"

  I disagree with this. I attended my mother's funeral a few years ago. She had the 'hope' - and she also drug us, her kids along with her - to the meetings - and then later getting baptized - into that religion....................Jim_Tx..I disagree,with your disagreeing with me..LOL!!......................I`m talking about the funeral "I" went to......"You" were not there!..LOL!!........

  ...OUTLAW
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  stillajwexelder

  YEP - that just about summariuzes the situation
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  jamiebowers

  To realize their religion is based on a pyramid of premises that are fallacies would require rational, objective thinking and rational, objective thinking is not an ability or activity I can identify with when I think of believing Jehovah's Witness people I know personally.

  I'm not saying believing Witnesses are stupid, but I have had the thought that Wallkill, Patterson, and Brooklyn communes might be depriving more than a few villages of their idiots.

  LOL at Gary as usual!
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  passwordprotected

  I don't know what sort of JWs you guys used to hang around, but the ones I knew had a deep unease about how long 'this old system' had been going for. My own parents didn't think I'd got to school in 'this system'. Now I'm 37, 1 kid at school, 1 kid starting school this year and another kid on the way. They thought, in sincerity, that the 'new system' would be here by now.

  Younger JWs don't understand the constant cry of urgency from the platform/WTs. Many are leaving, many are leading outrageous double-lives (porn and cigar parties, for example). They see the repetitious 'it's closer than ever, it's right around the corner' in the magazines and they simply don't buy into it the way we did in the 80s and 90s.

  The JWs in my age range (37-47) are concerned. They're facing a reality where they haven't properly planned for their future, many are working manual jobs for poor pay and no benefits, their children are getting older, in a few years weddings will need to be planned for children who weren't meant to reach their 20s in 'this old system'. Latterly I began to learn of die-hard JWs who for years had been paying large sums into pension funds or 4-figure sums per month into savings accounts for their children. These JWs were usually the ones who pontificated the loudest about how close we are to Armageddon, yet at the same time were surely lacking in JW 'faith' by blatantly planning for a future they weren't meant to believe would come.

  My generation were breast-fed the idea that 1914 was pivotal and that that generation wouldn't pass away. Now they're looking down the barrel of 2014 and realising that deep inside they're starting to feel a wee bit uneasy. But with all of these study articles talking about sifting the congregation, people drifting away from the flock, they feel if they even consider giving head space to their doubts and questions they'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and we know what an anathema a fulfilled prophecy is to the Org.

  At the end of the day, I've no doubt that across the entire spectrum of JWs there are many who have doubts about their future. Yes, what do they have to look forward to? More Saturday mornings dragging themselves and their children from apathetic door to apathetic door? More summer conventions sitting in cold/hot/wet/drafty auditoriums/stadiums listening to the same recycled talks and interviews that they listened to the previous year, and for the ten years previous to that? More heavily compacted feelings of guilt when they sit through another CO visit being told that their efforts aren't enough? More anxiety and depression thanks to having to choke down their own intelligence when sitting through another WT study article that churns out the same skewed scriptural references to King David/the faithful and discreet slave "class"? More watching their children get older and restless in a religious organisation that demands absolute loyalty to the latest interpretations of Scripture according to a committee of men in New York, praying silently that their children stay loyal to that organisation for fear of having to cut them out of their life, while feeling guilt and frustration at having to actively quash their children's hopes and aspirations for the future, knowing that college is out of the question, a fulfilling career is out of the question, that pioneering is the only option?
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  Chalam

  Jehovah's Witnesses has no hope because they fail to put this verse in practice on both accounts.

  Romans 10:9 (New International Version)

  9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

  For JWs, Jesus is not "Lord", "Jehovah" is, look in the back of any NWT study bible at the Greek word "Lord" kurios.

  Neither do JWs believe that God raised Jesus from the dead as the scripture says but that Jesus was raised as a "spirit creature". That goes against what Jesus said Himself.

  Luke 24:39 (New King James Version)

  39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

  This one verse alone should be enough to convict any JW of their folly and the insidious teaching of the WT.

  All the best,

  Stephen