Phonecall from a JW witnessing.....

sweet pea

Finally I got my chance to see what a Witness was made of on the phone yesterday.

Her opening line was "we haven't been able to reach you at your door, so that's why we're calling (barefaced lie as we have had witnesses call latey who even came back for a return visit but that's Besty's story...).

We had a lively but ultimately very frustrating conversation. I told her I was brought up a fundamental Christian but after a crisis of faith and serious bible study/research of religion in general had come to the conclusion that there probably wasn't a God and that the bible falls apart put under the microscope. She ignored the conclusions I had reached as she had no other weapon than the bible to back up her beliefs.

All her reasoning was the usual stock answers we were all trained to spout. It was quite surreal and quite hard not to slip into the old familiar expressions that would have blown my cover.

When I told her there was no physical evidence for the flood happening, all she could say was that in the bible Jesus believed the flood happened. When I told here there was no evidence for Jesus either and again that the bible is not credible she had no answer.

I asked her to read the scriptures in Rev 22:6 and 22:10 and asked her who sent the angel and she could not see that scripture clearly is talking about Jesus in both verses, not Jehovah in one and Jesus in the other.

I suggested she check out why her leaders had put Jehovah in the Greek scriptures when there is no evidence it was ever there in the original text. I also casually reminded her of all the failed prophecies including 1975 - she justifed this one by saying they hadn't actually given an exact day (that makes it all alright then??!!!!!).

The conversation got to the point where she said people couldn't be happy without God - I told her that I am currently happier than I've ever been without a faith in God to which she said "that is so sad" . I called her on this - "so hang on a mo, you think it's really sad that I am so happy in my life right now? That is quite bizarre". I ended our chat by saying that I felt she was very sincere and had good motives but that I felt sorry for her being in a cult. She replied "I am not in a cult", to which I said "Ironically, people in a cult will always deny they're in one!".

We parted amicabally and she thanked me for my views .

I just hope I made her think and that she goes away and does her research. But then again, if someone's not at that place in life, it's unlikely.

Quotes

Good job!

Personally, I relish these anti-witness opportunities. Just call me Johnny-Appleseed, planting seeds of reality in the minds of cult followers -- but only if they contact me first. They start it, and I finish it.

garybuss

I once tried to convince a talking skunk that he stunk and he denied it over and over.

I don't think a skunk knows they stink.

Dagney

Well done! Did you bite a hole in your lip from trying not to give yourself away?

parakeet

Sweet pea, that's exactly how I fend off my JW parents. If you deprive them of their Bible verses, their responses run like this -- uuuh, aaaah, hmmmm. Then we talk about something else.

GoingGoingGone

I had two young mormon guys at my door a couple months back. They started their sales pitch, and I told them that while I appreciated their effort, I was not the least bit interested. I said that I had been a JW my entire life and that my husband still was (he was out in service at the time!) I had spent decades knocking on doors, going to meetings, and building my life around JW beliefs.

What I wanted them to know was that it's ok to change your mind, no matter what anyone else might say. It's ok to question and it's ok to reach a different decision than your parents did. The one guy kept agreeing with me... and the other guy (whose 'door' it was) kept throwing him worried looks.

In all the years I knocked on doors, there were a handful of people who engaged me in conversation and asked me questions like you asked your JW caller, sweet pea. And they made so much more of an impression than they could ever know. I totally agree that no one will leave the WT before they are ready. But hopefully, what you said will be replayed in her mind and the doubt will start to grow.

One can but hope...

GGG

ThomasCovenant

Thanks for the account Sweet Pea.

With regard to Jesus believing in the Flood arguement that she used.

To the best of my recollection it isn't recorded that he said ''I Jesus H. Christ, of Nazareth, currently of no fixed abode, believe in the Flood of Noah''.

Rather it is recorded that he said

''just as in the days of Noah''.

This is no different to saying

''just as in the days of Oliver Twist''

or

''just as in the days of Huckleberry Finn''

If Barack Obama said 'we mustn't go back to the days of Huckleberry Finn' whilst trying to make a political point I would hope that future generations wouldn't take that to mean that Huck was a real person.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

steve2

She replied "I am not in a cult", to which I said "Ironically, people in a cult will always deny they're in one!".

Ouch! And you still parted amicably? Was she a little on the thick-skinned side then?

passwordprotected

@ steve2 - it's probably worth pointing out that Sweat Pea has a 'charming' English accent. She currently resides in the States. Combine the typical anglophile American with an apostate talking with a quaint English accent and you may conclude that Sweat Pea could have gotten away with saying much, much more...

wobble

Aye Password,it's a good job the Witless didna have to deal with your brogue!

I think it is commendable that any of us use such opportunities,it is the drip drip of questions they cannot answer which will wake them up if at all possible,some never will wake up of course.

Well done Sweet Pea,and don't lose your accent,and more importantly your pronunciation,the Yanks cannot pronounce anything correctly.

(Wobble ducks for cover,flak coming! Tee hee)

Love

Wobble

Phonecall from a JW witnessing.....

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