Phonecall from a JW witnessing.....

by sweet pea 20 Replies latest jw friends

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  jws

  Great job! I hope she gets to thinking over your points.

  I think there's a problem though that you're just too far away from where she is now. Many of us came out of the cult and went through different stages. For me, it was losing faith in the JW organization, but still believing most of the basic doctrine. Then came losing doctrine by doctrine, but looking to the Bible for another alternative. Then came accepting some things that were contrary to the Bible (ie evolution), then losing faith in the Bible, and so on. We've come a long way and we're several steps away from what her most likely first steps are going to be if she were to leave.

  By saying the Bible falls apart under scrutiny, she sees you as unwinnable. She's also going to take anything else you said with a grain of salt as well. To an outside open-minded observer, you won the debate. And I enjoyed all of your great points. But did you get her really thinking?

  Hopefully you've raised some doubts. And maybe she will investigate those and maybe she will take those first steps. I hope so.
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  willyloman

  ''I Jesus H. Christ, of Nazareth..."

  After hearing that expression all these years, I just now realized what the "H" stands for: Hussein!
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  VIII

  Jesus H. Christ. Love that expression.

  My Mom does the telephone witnessing thing since she is getting old and it's too cold to go outside. I asked how she got people's telephone numbers? She said they were Return Visits! That one I can't believe.

  I had an elderly couple of Dubs come to the door about a month ago. I was expecting the mailman and opened the door and they asked if I had time to discuss the bible?

  I said No, my Mom is a JW and I was raised as one and no longer am.

  Both eyes widened, they looked like deer about to get shot and they turned and practically knocked each other over trying to get away from me. They didn't say Good Bye.

  VIII, Evil Apostate
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  ninja

  mark said "sweat pea"......he he
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  sweet pea

  @garybuss - you do make me laugh, thank you for that.

  @dagney - oh yes, a rather large hole!

  @thomascovenant - great point.

  @steve - I said it VERY NICELY!

  @wobble - would've been so easy to have fobbed her off with "not interested/too busy" but I think we have to take every chance we can to help these ones to see through the mind control and BTW I have no intention of losing my accent!!!

  @jws - I agree with what you're saying but I just wanted to throw as many things into the mix as possible and who knows how many years they may fester in the back of her mind.....

  @ PP - thanks for the vote of confidence - the whole conversation was extremely amicable and I know I could've said a whole load more but time ran out on me unfortunately. I should've got her number and made her a return visit.........
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  Hittman

  In all the years I knocked on doors, there were a handful of people who engaged me in conversation and asked me questions like you asked your JW caller, sweet pea. And they made so much more of an impression than they could ever know. I totally agree that no one will leave the WT before they are ready. But hopefully, what you said will be replayed in her mind and the doubt will start to grow.

  I remember being on the receiving end of conversations like that. I still remember a couple of them decades later. You're not going to de-convert someone on your doorstep. But you can plant seeds of doubt that may sprout years later.

  You'll never know if you succeeded, but it's worth a try.

  And it's fun, too.
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  sweet pea

  @VIII - it's much more fun pretending you're not - it's a challenge not to give the game away and if you can help at least one person think/start to doubt, it's so worth it - you have such an opportunity, it's a shame not to take it.

  @ninja - it hadn't gone unnoticed - I may just defriend him on facebook...... mind you I was sweating it a bit on that call.......
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  Kudra

  Jesus H. Christ means:

  Jesus Haploid Christ. Look it up- it's true.
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  jws

  PP - thanks for the vote of confidence - the whole conversation was extremely amicable and I know I could've said a whole load more but time ran out on me unfortunately. I should've got her number and made her a return visit

  Do you have caller ID? Or was it blocked? Or the Hall's number?

  I heard my dad would go to the Kingdom Hall to make his phone calls. Maybe that's a step to hide their identity and provide the Hall's phone # as a number to call back.

  My dad said there would be like 3-4 JWs there, but only one phone. So, you've got like 4 people counting time, but only one can be on the phone at any given time so for 2 hours of phone calling, they're recording 8 hours of total time. I always thought that sounded very convenient, but if they're trying to share one phone for caller ID purposes, it makes sense why they can't each be at home calling.
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  purplesofa