So let me get this straight, because it's an "old book", the historical part of how the Watchtower was formed is old light? Irrelevant? Is a new history book going to be publish having the JW organization start in 1931? How absurd!!!!
RR
"And how old is the Proclaimers book?"
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steve2
Halfway through the game of chess, your mother unfairly switches the game to hop-skotch. As a general rule, I stop playing games with spoiled children who change the game and rules halfway through. It saves a lot of frustration and hurt feelings. You might want to do the same with your mother. She's probably not even aware of her childishness - and, as a son, I don't think it's your job to make her aware. Just stop playing games with her, though.
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cawshun
Blondi or anyone, when you quote like you did in this post, W.74 8/15 p. 507 , what exactly does the W stand for, how can I find this. I'm not a jw so I'm not sure what your source is.
cawshun
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blondie
w = Watchtower
g = Awake (used to be Golden Age)
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sir82
"W" = "Watchtower
"74 8/15" = August 15 1974 edition
"p. 507" = page 507 (they used to number the Watchtower pages sequentially, January 1 issue had pages 1-32, January 15 issue had pages 33-64, etc.)
"g" would stand for "Awake"
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cawshun
Thanks, so when your speaking of the watchtower book, your talking about a book put together using all the watchtowers from a certain year? I know the watchtower magazines don't have that many pages.
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cawshun
Gordy, thanks for the link, a great help in understanding the Proclaimers book, bookmarked.
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Nathan Natas
Your Mom must have been in a "say the stupidest thing" contest. Her position seems to be that HISTORY BOOKS cannot be trusted if they are OLD.
Sharp as a marble!
Also worth noting is the section titled "Modern History of Jehovah's Witnesses" that includes pages 297 through 360 of the 1955 book, "QUALIFIED TO BE MINISTERS" which was four years before the publication of the "JWs In The Divine Purpose" book.
The Watchtower is 32 pages published on the 1st and the 15th of each month, so that is 768 pages a year. The individual issues are put together as a bound volume for each year. In the not-too-distant-past, the WTB&TS has made changes between what the individual issues said and what was said in the volumized version of the same issue. This is not intellectual dishonesty, it is "adjusting to new light" and is completely approved of by the Jehovah sock puppet, who resides in a desk drawer at 124 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn and sometimes spends his summers at the Watchtower facility in Patterson, NY.
I believe it is beneficial to all when citations from Watchtower publications are FULLY EXPANDED for the benefit of those who do not know the "code."
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diamondiiz
I'm assuming that your parents are older and have been followers of WTS for most of their lives. I would guess that they don't want to see the facts because of their age and mind set since if WTS is lying who could possible be telling the truth. If that's all they knew and put a lot of time and money into WTS it's very very difficult to convince oneself that they've been living a lie!
It's easier for WTS to make younger converts than older ones. Unless the old folks have an open mind to reason it's almost impossible to break the barrier. WTS programs everyone to think in a certain way, if the discussion is possitive in regards to WTS one can discuss anything and everything about any WTS publication and idea. You can laugh about 1874 teaching and accept 1914 teaching. But once you point WTS to be a lying, money grabbing society the switch kicks in and you are evil slave, an apostate who wants to rob them of what they know is true. 1874 is a lie was never taught, even if they thought it was invisible coming the new light over rides the old idea and so forth. It's very difficult to reason. It's always hard to reason when people are indoctrinated in one form of thinking - like reasoning why there is a God, no God, trinity or no trinity with opposing view.
Try to find common ground on discussion and only direct them in discussing one topic. If you're discussing 1914 stick to what they understand 1914 means to them now and what they know about it's origins. Ask them if they think the original teaching were different and why and so forth.
I wouldn't jump on Mason and god Ra symbols as it's not really a proven fact. Just because cross and crown were used doesn't mean they were affiliated with masons as some other groups used the symbol and weren't masonic in nature. Russell talked about Masons but I don't find any substatial evidence he was a Mason other than he knew of them but then again Masons were well known in the region that he came from. I forgot what the symbol for sun god was supposed to represent but it was egyptian in nature and since he was into pyramidology he may not have thought of it being occultic but used it as a reference to resurrected Christ or something to that effect - sorry I don't remember the details. Stick to facts that you can get from WTS publications or facts from his court trials and don't bring any conspiracy into the pictures that you can't back by written facts.