Can someone who speaks French please translate this?

by Mickey mouse 29 Replies latest jw friends

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  Mickey mouse

  This article apparently talks of a court decision recognising the damage that the JW policy of disfellowshipping causes. I would appreciate a translation. With thanks to So Past a Dub from JWR for finding it.

  http://www.dhnet.be/infos/faits-divers/article/244088/les-jehovah-condamnes.html

  Les Jéhovah condamnés

  (24/01/2009)

  Exclusif : la Cour de cassation reconnaît les discriminations de l'organisation

  BRUXELLES C'est une première mondiale. Un tribunal belge, la Cour de cassation, vient de reconnaître que les Témoins de Jéhovah ont des pratiques discriminatoires à l'égard des exclus du mouvement qui balance entre religion et organisation sectaire.

  Jacques a fait partie de ce qu'il appelle aujourd'hui "une secte" , pendant une quinzaine d'années. "Pour avoir pris la défense d'un de mes clients aussi témoin de Jéhovah qui avait un conflit avec un cadre supérieur de l'organisation, j'ai été exclu" , indique-t-il.

  Le problème, c'est que chez les Jéhovah, on indique clairement par écrit aux membres qu'ils ne doivent plus avoir de contacts avec les exclus, aujourd'hui plus prosaïquement nommés "excommuniés" .

  Résultat : "Ma femme vivant sous mon toit, cela n'a pas posé de problème mais, par exemple, je n'ai plus vu ma belle-mère depuis sept ans et je n'ai plus de contacts avec mes sœurs."

  Et sur base de la loi antidiscrimination de 2003, Jacques a décidé d'intenter une action en justice. Débouté une première fois en référé, la cour d'appel de Liège a finalement reconnu la présomption de discrimination dont a été victime Jacques.

  Une première victoire pour Jacques mais pas une condamnation des Jéhovah. "C'était à moi de prouver que j'avais bien été discriminé." Et le Liégeois s'est alors pourvu en cassation.

  L'instance suprême vient de rendre son verdict. "La Cour reconnaît que, sur base de la loi antidiscrimination qui a été durcie en 2007, s'il y a des présomptions de discrimination établies, c'est aux Témoins de Jéhovah de prouver qu'il n'y a pas eu discrimination."

  Par conséquent, l'affaire devra être rejugée et a été renvoyée vers la cour d'appel de Mons qui devra trancher définitivement.

  "C'est une première mondiale. C'est la première fois que la justice ouvre une brèche comme celle-là et je vois mal comment ils pourraient maintenant prouver qu'il n'y a pas eu discrimination. Et s'ils sont condamnés, c'est un jugement qui va avoir des répercussions dans le monde entier."

  Michaël Kaibeck
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  Big Tex

  "You know it's like those French have a different word for everything!"

  -- Steve Martin, Wild and Crazy Guy
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  ohiocowboy

  This is from Google translator. Not perfect, but hope it helps...

  The Jehovah sentenced (24/01/2009) Exclusive: The Supreme Court acknowledges the discrimination of the organization BRUSSELS It is a world first. A Belgian court, the Cour de Cassation, has to recognize that Jehovah's Witnesses have discriminatory practices against which excluded from the balance between religion and sectarian organization. Jacques was part of what he now calls "a cult", during fifteen years. "To have acted in defense of one of my customers as a Jehovah's Witness who had a conflict with a senior official of the organization, I was excluded," he says. The problem is that in Jehovah, it is stated clearly in writing to members they should no longer have contact with the excluded, more prosaically named "excommunicated." Result: "My wife living under my roof, it has not been a problem but, for example, I have not seen my mother-in-law for seven years and I have more contact with my sisters." And based on the Anti-Discrimination Act of 2003, Jacques decided to take legal action. Dismissed for the first time in relief, the Court of Appeal of Liège has finally recognized the presumption of discrimination suffered by Jacques. A first victory for Jacques, but not a condemnation of Jehovah. "It was to prove to me that I had been discriminated against." Liégeois and then an appeal. The supreme court has just made its verdict. "The Court recognizes that, based on the ADL, which was tightened in 2007, where the presumption of discrimination established, it is the Jehovah's Witnesses to prove that there was no discrimination." Therefore, the case should be retried and was referred to the Court of Appeal of Mons which will finally decide. "It is a world first. This is the first time that justice opens a hole like that and I can not see how they could now prove that there has been no discrimination. And if they are convicted is a decision that will have repercussions throughout the world. "

  > swap
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  Kosonen

  It is about the first case when a disfellowshiped person won in tribunal against the WT-society. The tribunal regards that the WT-society broke a law against discrimination. The exjw-brother had a confict with some superior in the organization and now as disfelloshiped he can not have contact with his relatives. The decision has been appealed to a higher instance. Then the article adds, that this could open for more similar cases.
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  blondie

  Jéhovah condemned
  (24/01/2009)
  Exclusive: the Supreme court of appeal recognizes discriminations of the organization

  BRUSSELS It is first world. A Belgian court, the Supreme court of appeal, has just recognized that the Witnesses of Jéhovah have discriminatory practices with regard to excluded from the movement which balances between religion and sectarian organization.

  Jacques belonged to what it calls today “a sect”, during about fifteen years. “To have taken the defense of one of my customers also pilot of Jéhovah which had a conflict with a senior staff of the organization, I was excluded”, indicate it.

  The problem, it is that at Jéhovah, one indicates clearly in writing to the members that they should not have any more contacts with excluded, today more prosaically named “excommunicated”.

  Result: “My wife living under my roof, that did not pose a problem but, for example, I have not seen my mother-in-law any more for seven years and I do not have any more contacts with my sisters.”

  And on the basis of the law antidiscrimination of 2003, Jacques decided to institute proceedings. Débouté first once in summary procedure, the Court of Appeal of Liege finally recognized the presumption of discrimination of which was Jacques victim.

  A first victory for Jacques but not a judgment of Jéhovah. “Was with me to prove that I had indeed been discriminated.” And the Inhabitant of Liège then provided himself in cassation.

  The supreme authority has just returned its verdict. “The Court recognizes that, on the basis of law antidiscrimination which was hardened in 2007, if there are established presumptions of discrimination, it is to the Witnesses of Jéhovah to prove that there was not discrimination.”

  
  Consequently, the business will have to be rejugée and was returned towards the Court of Appeal of Mons which will have to slice definitively.
  “It is first world. It is the first time that justice opens a breach like that one and I see badly how they could now prove that there was not discrimination. And if they are condemned, it is a judgement which will have repercussions in the whole world. “
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  compound complex

  "I have more contact with my sisters."

  "je n'ai plus de contacts avec mes sœurs."

  In harmony with Kosonen's comments, the above English should read "no more contact," or "I no longer have contact with ..."
  
  
  CoCo

  Edited to add: Blondie corrected the error, I see!
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  compound complex

  The Court of Cassation is the highest court in the French judiciary. Civil, commercial, social or criminal cases are first ruled upon by courts of first instance or lower courts (tribunaux d’instance and tribunaux de grande instance, commercial courts and industrial or labour courts (conseils de prud’hommes) etc). Depending on the importance of the dispute concerned, decisions by these courts are made at last instance in small cases or at first instance in the majority of cases. Decisions rendered at last instance may be challenged in a court of appeal, where all aspects of them are re-examined, as to both facts and law. Decisions at last instance by courts of first instance or decisions by courts of appeal may themselves form the object of an appeal before the Court of Cassation. Apart from being at the apex of the pyramid, there are two other characteristics that single the Court of Cassation out from other courts. It is unique: "There is one Court of Cassation for the whole Republic". The fact that this fundamental principle is set forth at the very beginning of the texts of the Judicature Act devoted to the Court of Cassation is because it is the most important; it is indissociable from the Court’s essential purpose, which is to unify the case-law and ensure that the interpretation of texts is the same throughout the whole territory. It is the fact that the Court of Cassation is unique that makes it possible to achieve uniformity of interpretation, and hence to develop case-law that must be authoritative, uniqueness and uniformity being interdependent.

  http://www.courdecassation.fr/about_the_court_9256.html
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  Mickey mouse

  Thanks. If anyone can do a human translation I would very much appreciate it. My French ain't that good.
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  Narkissos

  Except it's not in France but in Belgium... :)

  (Checking in too late for the translation.)
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  Mickey mouse

  Thanks Narkissos. I did wonder ;)

  Still haven't had a human translation though if you fancy having a crack at it?