What do you think would happen if aliens landed?

by Abaddon 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • seven006
    seven006

    ianao,

    I think you are underestimating the intelligence of the average monkey. Haven't you ever read Curious George?

    Jan,
    You always crack me up.

    I can't argue with your logic. On thing to think about is if a human baby can grasp the use of our many languages, what makes you think a superior race with superior intelligence couldn't do the same thing? As far as men communicating with women I have to agree with you. As Sigmund Freud once said. "I have spent my life time studying the human psyche, but I still cannot answer the question 'what do women want"."

    This is the main reason I haven't dated in almost two years. I enjoy my sanity.

    Abaddon,

    Your reference to the faster than light theory is exactly what I am talking about. That brick wall is limited to our own understanding of theory we have studied in our own primitive grasp of what we consider to be the only absolutes. You can get into pages of arguments about perception and relativity in relation to our knowledge of physics, but life is to short and I really hate typing that much.

    Your use of the term "federation of planets" is used more than in science fiction stories. I recently picked up a book titled The Contact Has Begun by Phillip H. Krapf. I met Mr. Krapf briefly on a business trip to the LA times many years ago. I got the book because I could not believe he wrote it. As with anything on this subject matter I have an open mind, but it is not so open as to be completely convinced of anything that I consider not to be completely provable. The book speaks of The Federation of Planets and does it in a somewhat convincing manner. To completely disregard the story of someone who was not only a major skeptic but also a mocker of such things it tends to make an intelligent person stop and think a little.

    Your comments about dolphins and monkeys is a good one. The fact of the matter is we can communicate with dolphins and monkeys now, but the odd thing is they seem to understand what we are trying to say on a limited basis but it is man that fails in the ability to understand what they are trying to say. Who then is the more intelligent being? In the case of Koko here is a gorilla http://www.koko.org/world/ that has a vocabulary of over 2000 words and has in human standards the IQ level of 95. She communicates in sign language and has a full understanding of what she is communicating. The only thing she lacks is what we consider to be language is the proper vocal cords to orally communicate. Long and fluent conversations have been had with Cocoa completely with the use of sign language. She also understands the meaning of audible language but lacks the ability to respond in like manner. Again I say, who really is the superior being? Now if they can teach a snake a little sign language I might reconsider the theory of Adam and Eve. Until then I'll just keep an open mind.

    What makes you think that a race who has the ability and knowledge of space travel would possibly be aggressive? I think they would find the human race on the aggressive side, but just because it is more of our nature to instantaneously go on the defensive doesn't mean they would be the same way. In fact, a visit from such a race might be more to save us from ourselves. There is a theory of "Ultimate Knowledge". At this level of existence aggressiveness and a combative behavior are considered an absurdity. If it is possible to harness technology beyond our grasp and understanding that would allow a humanoid being to travel in a mode outside our accepted theory of light-years what other things would they also hold as superior? We tend to measure intelligence with the rod of technology. Couldn't superiority also be measured in a more understanding and civilized manner? Having ultimate intelligence would give a race the ability to grasp the concept of peace in a way far beyond what we understand the existence of peace to be. We look at peace as the absence of war. It first takes the negative for us to understand the positive. Ultimate intelligence can posses the positive without using the negative as a measuring tool. We are all prisoners of what we understand coming from our limited perspective and knowledge. We tend to choose an invisible force many call god as a warm and fuzzy feeling of total peace. If you look at the tool used to try and explain god, it is loaded with the explanation of many negatives to try and give us the understanding of a positive existence. Just look at what religion and the belivers in those earthy religions have distroyed on this planet.

    The term "god fearing" in itself explains the primes of this whole concept. It is a "be good or else" concept that in my opinion is very child like. The human race seems to need the simplest and most barbaric of concepts to use as a guide in understanding the thought of "be nice."
    What if there is a superior race that does not need to resort to such simplistic and base concepts to "be nice"? What if the thought of "be nice" is simply a way of existence? Is that too abstract of a concept to possibly be conceivable? Just because human history has proven that the negative cannot exist without the positive doesn't mean that a positve can indeed exist on it's own. A superior race can be much more superior than in just a technological manner. If, there is such a race, and they decided to let themselves be known, it might be the best thing to ever happen to this planet. But then if they are anything like the human race, you are right, our ass is grass!

    Who knows, they may have a more accurate definition of who god is if there is indeed a god. Just as humans are victims of their environment in that they are aggressive creatures, maybe our concept of god is built out of our own concept of existence in that you can only understand positive things from the perspective of the negative. This could be just a misconception of a god based on our own level of lower intelligence. There may well be a god and he/she/it is so far beyond what we can conceive of in manner, it might be centuries before we have our minds developed enough to grasp that possibility of a reality. If there is, and he/she/it is more perfect then our own understanding of perfection. With this in mind, all this "praise god" stuff might be completely laughable to such a being. After all, if god is truly a god in our understanding, why would he/she/it need us little pee-ons to tell him/her/it how great they are? The god of the bible shows me that he has a major insecurity problem. That combined with a big ego and an itchy trigger finger paints a picture of something definitely man made. I personally wouldn't even think of treat my own kids they way the god of the bible treats his so called children. Are we fucked up or what?

    Dave

  • safe4kids
    safe4kids

    Doug,

    I KNEW it!!! This proves that I was adopted!!!!

    And, er...I really don't mind being left out of future family reunions, honest!

    (((logi))), c'mon now...you aren't really an alien!! You're just saying that to get me all excited, aren't ya??

    Dana

    Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end...
    Closing Time, Semisonic

  • ianao
    ianao

    Can someone please "lay" with safe4kids. She seems to need it pretty bad.

  • Hairy Harr
    Hairy Harr

    How long has YOU BLOW been on this planet?

  • mikepence
    mikepence

    If aliens were to land in the USA...

    John Ashcroft would immediatly revoke their civil rights and detain them without any due process in the name of the war on the word 'terrorism.'

    President Bush would describe them as 'evil' and sick the US military on them. He would encourage all Americans to go shopping in the name of Freedom!

    The unthinking US citizens in their F-150 pickup trucks would put F* the Aliens bumper stickers on their trucks.

    Rush Limbaugh would descry the aliens as leftist liberals.

    The Watchtower society would say that the end is coming soon, reprinting some article with words to that affect from 25 years ago!

    Big Ray would continue to beat his wife and children while trying to pass himself off as some kind of JW online leader.

    And finally, XJWNews.com would continue to rock!

    Mike

    XJW User Submitted News & Views at http://xjwnews.com

  • Mommie Dark
    Mommie Dark

    Abaddon honey, have you read Damon Knight's story "To Serve Man"? Altruistic aliens come to earth, give us cheap energy and a cure for cancer... why are they so anxious to take care of us? They have a handbook to which they refer regularly. UN translators work feverishly to translate a stolen copy of the book. They finally manage to crack the language enough to get the title of the book... it's 'To Serve Man'. Wow! What altruists!

    Aliens offer vacation packages to humans, take them on big ships for intergalactic bonding. Humans swarm to sightsee the universe.

    As a group of dignitaries prepare to board ship, a linguist comes tearing across the tarmac, shouting 'NO! No! I've finished the translation! IT'S A COOKBOOK!"

    The other scenario is of course found in the fabulous old film 'The Day The Earth Stood Still" with the gorgeous Michael Rennie as Klaatu. Aliens come here to warn us that if we attempt to take our warmongering ways off-planet, the intergalactic robot police force will blow us to oblivion.

    I imagine either of these would be more likely than just some species cruising the universe looking to make new friends and share the wealth.

    Love,
    Mommie
    too curmudgeonly to believe in benevolent visitors

  • safe4kids
    safe4kids

    Oops, my bad, sorry ianao...didn't realize i was stepping on your turf [8>]

    Dana

    Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end...
    Closing Time, Semisonic

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    I figured this thread was going to branch out into a discussion about the possibilities of intelligent life, space travel, and human reactions to said discovery of aliens. All of these are interesting topics but I would like to share my own perspective that may be somewhat uncomplimentary about human society.

    My view is that the direct discovery and overwhelming evidence of alien life (as per the example Abaddon mentioned) would lead to unimaginable disaster and human suffering, perhaps even global war.

    Consider a few real examples of what some reactions might be to an alien invasion. In 1938, science fiction author Orson Welles broadcasted a famous tale of “War of the Worlds" which described a Martian invasion of the Earth. It caused a national panic and some people killed themselves. I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that people in our own time have such limited abilities to judge the validity of reality, that they would instinctively hold to the memes passed to them through popular movies, like Independence Day, Star Wars, and so forth which essentially make the aliens dangerous and putting our lives in danger. The end result may be much like the panic in 1938.

    Primitive cultures are known to worship things they don’t understand and think they are from the Gods. In the Amazon rain forest, anthropologists have found crude idols made by natives that look like airplanes. These isolated natives worshiped the big strange birds as Gods.

    Look at all the psychological trauma of people who claim to be abducted by aliens and have bizarre experiments and torture done on them. The realization that their worst fears had been realized would drive these and others over the edge with unpredictable results.

    Ianao suggested that religious people would be in fear, some would think it was the end of the world, and much more. The world economy would suffer much like what happened in Sept 11th. People would be too scared to fly and they wouldn’t go to work. Those going anywhere would be fleeing the cities. There would be panic buying, the highways clogged beyond movement. The financial markets would be closed down. Work would stop until it was known what would happen.

    Not only would we have intense fear on the streets and cities becoming deserted, we could have irrational and dangerous responses from political and military leaders. We’ve seen plenty of evidence of how mentally unstable these people are. A nuclear war could be started.

    Because of the culture of fear, delusion, psychological instability, and irrationality of the masses and their leaders, I would think that any alien civilization would at the very least would unintentionally destabilize the world and make it much more dangerous, perhaps causing us to destroy it. If they had the technological ability to get here and survive for as long as they did to develop that technology, they would surely realize the dangers they would create by revealing themselves. In fact, while I believe the universe is teaming with life and perhaps there are many solar systems with intelligent life at our level and beyond, I think they will make a determined effort to keep the fact of their existence private to avoid damaging other civilizations. In short you don’t give hard-core pornography to minors and kids and not expect it to have a dramatic effect on them, as it would be grossly irresponsible and cruel.

    I think when and if our world develops to the point where we can appreciate this as a fact also, we will do the same thing. When the time comes when a world is psychologically ready for meeting with an alien intelligence, there may be a method in place to allow it to happen.

    I sure hope we don’t find their phone number until we are collectively ready for it.

    Skipper

  • seven006
    seven006

    Hey Skipper there ya go with the gloom and doom stuff that you were once so popular with on Tishie's board. I have always enjoyed your insights and the way you presented them, but they always seemed to cast a shadow of the dark side. I'm not much for thinking we are all walking around in a Norman Rockwell painting but you might want to take a peek into the possibilities of something with a little more positive perspective.

    Orson Wells War of the Worlds got the reaction it did for several reasons. First of all the social and political climate of the times was the fear of world war two having it start in Europe and people fearing Hitler and his hordes. Second the presentation was conducted over the radio and had no previous advertising to get the listeners prepared for it being nothing more than a radio drama. You mix fear with miscommunication and you get the reaction that they got.

    We have had quantum leaps in field of communication since that time and the average person doesn't think twice about sending a human into space. Most people don't even know when the space shuttle is launched until there is some kind of problem. Space travel is old news now. I think people are a lot more at ease with pondering the concept that if we can do it, maybe someone else could also. As I said in my previous post, if an alien race has the ability to conquer the speed of light theory then maybe they have the maturity and intelligence to do the whole thing right. It would be stupid on their part to just drop in and scare the hell out of everyone. I don't think a race with the capabilities discussed would be that stupid.

    As far as the religious faction loosing it and falling apart with fear, well, that's kind of their whole profile isn't it. Many Christians believe that Jesus is going to float down to earth and raise everyone up in the rapture. Why would an alien presence be so different in theory? If you can look at it as an alien introduction as opposed to an alien invasion you might be able to feel a little more relaxed about the whole thing. Not every species is as violently reactive as humans. As far as alien experiments on humans go, why is that such a foreign concept. Have you ever been to a slaughter house or seen the life and times of a Resis monkey? Have you ever been to a chicken farm and see how the chickens are raise their whole life in a 12 inch by 12 inch cage until they are yanked out of them and hug upside down with their throats cut? I have, it isn't pretty.

    What has been described in those alien abduction stories are not even close to what humans have done to other animal life on this planet. We having the egotistical thought that we own this planet has corrupted our minds into the thought that we can do no wrong and that we have permission to do as we please to other animal and plant species. I fear a human invasion much more than that of an intelligent alien one. If they come and they do want to kick our ass, there isn't much we could do about it any way. I just don't believe a more intelligent race would have that objective. We tend to think that just because this is how we are that every one else is like us. I hope the hell not. Just something for you to think about. I thought this thread might draw you out. It's good to read your thoughts, I have always enjoyed them.

    Dave

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Dave...brace yourself for a wee bit more doom and gloom

    Okay, first I still stand by my comments about this happening in the scenario Abaddon played. I think the mental state of the planet as it is now, awash with a world population that is not skilled at critical and analytical thinking, and who have been spoon fed sensationalist memes would likely freak out in a sudden and unprepared appearance that would be given great sensationalism.

    It need not play out this way at all if there was a gradual awakening process that did a step-by-step preperation for people. The climate today is one of fear. Even normally rational people can be dramatically influenced by their encluturation.

    Further, I'm not saying the discovery of alien intelligence would be a bad thing at all. It is something I actually hope for and would delight in. I agree with your earlier post in this thread about such a potential civilization would be peaceful. I think if they do exist and they are aware of us, they may keep their existence secret from us until it is the right time.

    I certainly don't think alien abductions are happening. I don't think UFO's are alien space craft. And I don't think everyone would panic even in Abaddon's scenario. I wouldn't want to bet on it being a pretty picture though if things are done this way.

    The biggest problems I see with the existence of alien civilizations are the costs to travel (unless they have evolved a culture that is not economic in nature); their desire to travel; and if they were space faring aliens, it would only take a few thousand years to colonize the galaxy.

    I don't think we will find Spock or ET but we may find something.

    Skipper

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