an overt case of racism

by John Doe 38 Replies latest jw friends

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    The Bible does not condone slavery; it simply deals forthrightly with less than optimal circumstances. Man was created free, as long as he obeyed his Creator.

    The Manifest Destiny Doctrine came about because White people read into the Bible that which they wanted to see.

    Sylvia

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  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Sylvia, let's not be dishonest about this, ok?

    Deuteronomy:

    12 If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.

    16 But if your servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, 17 then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant.

    18 Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do.

    Ephesians:

    9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

    Colossians:

    Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.

    The Manifest Destiny Doctrine came about because White people read into the Bible that which they wanted to see.

    You're displaying a prime example of reading into the bible what you want to see, regardless of what's there.

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  • snowbird
    snowbird

    condone

    verb overlook , excuse, forgive, pardon, disregard, turn a blind eye to, wink at, look the other way, make allowance for, let pass << OPPOSITE condemn The above are some synonyms for condone.

    If, as you say, the Bible overlooked, excused, forgave, pardoned, or disregarded slavery, then why were the owners given explicit instructions as to their treatment?

    For a law student, you can be maddeningly obstinate and obtuse!

    Sylvia

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  • John Doe
    John Doe
    If, as you say, the Bible overlooked, excused, forgave, pardoned, or disregarded slavery, then why were the owners given explicit instructions as to their treatment?

    How can you say that giving explicit intructions for something is not making an allowance for that something or letting it pass? I'm not the one being obstinate and obtuse my dear lady.

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  • Snoozy
    Snoozy

    I was in school when they allowed the first black students to attend. They were high IQ and came from families that had money. There were only 3 at first. One of them was a rebel and a person that would take nothing of anyone else..he ended up stabbing another student and got arrested at school. It was the first violent thing I remember happening in school. That was in Junior high around the middle 1950's. I am surprised that they allowed blacks in a college before grade or high school. I guess I didn't do my homework either....

    I also remember living in the city of St Louis in the early 1950's when the blacks still had to ride in the back of the bus. Pissed me off cause it was always more fun to ride in the back..we weren't supposed to ride in the back if they were there....was that a form of prejudice?

    I also remember swimming at the Forest Park pool and the blacks (Negros) could only swim on certain days of the week. They weren't allowed to swim when the "White folks" did. (They probably didn't want to anyway)..I also remember they had separate counters for Blacks in grocery stores..often different entrances also.

    They were the only ones that had shoe shinning seats set up on the sidewalks and called everyone Mam and Sir.

    The way I saw it was that those guys were always laughing and cutting up..they had all the fun. As a child I was jealous..my family never joked and cut up the way they did..too prim and proper...the men wore hats all the time and tipped them at ladies and they wore suits to go shopping..And the ladies always wore stockings when going out..and their seams HAD to be straight..and they had purfumed hankies to smell if a man had a smelly cigar lit in their presence...

    Snoozy..the last of a generation that still remembers what racism was REALLY like...and laughing at this statement

    "Man was created free....as long as he "OBEYED HIS CREATOR"......is someone really free if they have to "Obey" someone?

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  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Snoozy..the last of a generation that still remembers what racism was REALLY like...and laughing at this statement
    "Man was created free....as long as he "OBEYED HIS CREATOR"......is someone really free if they have to "Obey" someone?

    I respectfully beg to differ Snoozy. I grew up during the height of Jim Crow here in Black Belt Alabama, and I know what it was REALLY like for us Black folk.

    If obeying is for the good of that person, yes.

    John Doe, my computer crashed as I was framing a reply to you.

    Giving instructions and making allowances or letting something pass are entirely different.

    Sylvia

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  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Letting something pass means not making any affirmative act to stop it. "Letting" contemplates a knowing action. Letting something pass is a tacit approval. I can see no logical argument that can refute this.

    If you see a child starving in the street every day, and your cupboards are filled to the brim with extra food, yet you do nothing for this starving child but instead give him instructions on how to take his mind off of starvation, have you not condoned or approved of his condition?

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  • snowbird
    snowbird

    To the contrary, by giving instructions as to the humane treatment of slaves, God tacitly acknowledges that, were humans fully in tune with Him, things would be quite different.

    Sylvia

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  • John Doe
    John Doe

    But he didn't give instructions to discontinue slavery, and that's the entire point. He gave instructions that allowed slavery to continue and endorsed it.

    I suppose if that starving child in the street was in tune with your spirit, then it could have your food, huh?

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  • snowbird
    snowbird
    If you see a child starving in the street every day, and your cupboards are filled to the brim with extra food, yet you do nothing for this starving child but instead give him instructions on how to take his mind off of starvation, have you not condoned or approved of his condition?

    A non sequitur.

    Starving doesn't equate to slavery.

    If I saw a starving child, I would find out the child's circumstances and make sure the child is placed with someone who cares.

    Sylvia

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