Understand the Witness mindset before we blast them with facts

BonaFide

Telling a Witness "Hey, all the stuff you teach is BS" may be correct, but does that approach work? I have been reading on here how several have tried that direct method with their family or friends. It didnt work for me, and now I am having more and more success by repeating that I support the Organization and the Faithful Slave, then I bring up "an interesting point". Then I bring up about the UN or pedophiles in the congregations or Noah's flood. Then I say again, "But I support the Organization" or maybe, "Thats why I support the Organization no matter what, because even if something seems weird, no one is perfect and we have to wait on Jehovah." Little by little I bring out more and more stuff.

If someone on here has had success using the direct method, that is, "Hey, you know that the Witnesses are liars and false prophets" then let me know. It seems to me the direct method does not work because the Witness always will say to wait on Jehovah or we are imperfect, or some other excuse.

The sneaky method is opening up a lot of conversations for me.

And you? What's working, and what's not working?

BF

BonaFide

By the way, I still go in service and to meetings. I have so many opportunities. The elders HAVE NO IDEA what I am doing and I really feel I am getting more done this way than by standing outside the KH with a sign, or blasting my friends with facts. They wouldnt listen to me if I was disassociated. They wouldnt even say hello. But this way, I am getting a lot of info to them.

BF

Awakened at Gilead

I got my mom out with the direct method. "The WTS is full of BS." She agreed (eventually) and she is now an agnostic, somewhat deist.

Awakened at Gilead

I got my mom out with the direct method. "The WTS is full of BS." She agreed (eventually) and she is now an agnostic, somewhat deist.

compound complex

Thank you, BF, for putting this up.

You are wise to go that route. I should have been locked up when I learned "The Truth About The Truth." I'm trying to mend the breach between me and loved ones in "The Truth," to whom I said too much, too angrily. We still talk, but it's very tenuous. Ill-timed words cannot be withdrawn nor forgotten.

I wish I had it to do over, but then again ...

CoCo

oompa

I have tried both methods........and crap......neither one has worked ON ANYONE!!!!!..........OOMPS

jwfacts

For those that have already left it is difficult to pretend to still follow the Watchtower, but it is still good to recognise a point Hassan makes:

"It is important to understand that in most Bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group. It is the sense that the group is God's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control. Thus, to engage the cult member in a Biblical argument or discussion is often futile." Stephen Hassan, Releasing the Bonds p.145

Doctrinal debates are not a place to start. It is better to examine the logic that only that group is God's true people.

besty

If you consider jwfacts point above you will understand why the WTS uses so many OT examples in their literature.

Lets take a brief timeline:

Nation of Israel = strong correlation to 'one chosen people' organization concept

1st C Christians = congregations but essentially personal salvation, weaker correlation + heavenly hope, <cough>

Dark Ages = no correlation to organization so fudge factor and no proper answer as to why CTR started his own religion

Post 1879 - once again God has an organisation, just in time for the visible return of Jesus in 1874 1914 invisibly (sidepoint - great circular reasoning in this concept)

And this was the genius of Don Cameron to create Captives Of a Concept

VM44

JWs do not care about "facts."

To be a JW is to be a member of a social group controlled by a man-made Watchtower business organization.

KAYTEE

You would think that there should be a logical way of discussing these things, but there surely is not, if there were thousands would leave.

Even when you present them with hard evidence they still seam to have a closed mind.

Even when scripture is used ( Isaiah 1 v18 come now you people and let us put matters straight between us says Jehovah ) even then, there is no guarantee that this approach will work.

In the end it has to come from the person himself or herself.

KT

Understand the Witness mindset before we blast them with facts

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