Well I'll be damned, 177,000 years?! Now that's a twist. I like the one that Jehovah killed Jesus. Why even Isaiah says it if you believe the prophetic interpretation. You know, where Isaiah says that "Jehovah took delight in crushing him, he made him sick"? Jehovah, if he exists has a lot of crap to answer for.
WHY can't Jehovah "REINSTATE" Satan?
by african GB Member 36 Replies latest jw experiences
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parakeet
"It is better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven." -- John Milton
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Satanus
I think, this is perry's gospel, perfect justice, no forgiveness of ANY deabt, god's perfectly balanced book system. What a jewish accountant god!
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read good books
If he had forgiven him a long time ago then Jesus wouldn't have had to go through all of that and Satan would have quite screwing with all of us like you said and we could all be living in the New World now, but noooooo who suffers for him not forgiving Satan, US, we have to live in a dangerous world where one mistep and we die at the big A, I mean if you still believe the Party Line.
Besides that if he forgave Satan it would put the Society out of a job.
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sspo
Because Satan is just in people's imagination and not a real person. People have to blame someone else when they screw up.
Ask any JW why they have problems in their lives and see what they tell you.
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reniaa
The bible clearly shows satan to be a real being that puts little value on human life he knew when he deceived Eve he was causing her death Jesus describes him as a murderer from the beginning...
John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.Imagine the worst kind of evil person capable of any horror in whose eyes you are nothing but a toy to be destroyed and that is satan, You are the animal he as a hunter hunts for pleasure of the kill. Forgiveness hinges on repentence and Satan shows none of that right upto the end.
1 Peter 5:8
Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. -
Vinny
Reniaa, Reniaa. You never addressed my many posts to you many months ago. I sure missed you back then Reniaa. I got a little tired chasing you like a little rabbit. You sure are fast at running away when you don't like questions.
So tell me, are you ready to let your little girl die if for some reason she needs blood Reniaa? Please answer yes or no. Put yourself in that situation right now before it actually happens.
Are you ready to teach other people in your territory that they too must say no to blood even if death results?
Here is my little list why the JW's are wrong on blood Reniaa:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/150613/1/WT-SOCIETY-IS-WRONG-ON-BLOOD
That list is why I left the JW's even though I was content being one with no complaints and and was an elder with many friends, responsibilities and respect.
Reniaa, Are you also ready and willing to shun your little girl if she gets baptized at like 14 but then says, "sorry ma, the JW's just ain't for me", at 18?
Reniaa, Do you tell your bible studies that the JW's were FLAT WRONG about organ transplants, vaccinations, alternative service, Beth Sarim, 1914, 1925, 1975, 2000, Rape Rules, Sex with animals or sex with the same sex not breaking the marital bond along 50 more things just like these. Do you tell your bible studies these many mistakes Reniaa?
Do you show your bible studies this special list that is the JW'S BABY FOR LIFE:
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
Or How about this page of hypocrisy:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20000622/article_03.htm
(Notice if JW's do this very thing they tell others to do in that article, taken from their own official website, they will be disfellowshipped!)
You see Reniaa, it would be disingenuous of you to only show the one side of the JW picture, don't you think?
People have a right and you have an obligation to show people the COMPLETE JW PICTURE.
And then, (((ONLY THEN))) if after seeing everything as it truly is, they still want to be JW's and are willing to die rather than take blood, are willing to cut off and shun anybody that disagrees with JW policies including their own children and parents, siblings etc, then at least they have made an informed decision.
And I would respectfully support their decision. At least to some degree anyway.
But you see Reniaa, it does not work that way does it?
Most bible studies only know what JW's tell them in their little bible study books. And NOWHERE does it mention all these problems that destroy the WT Society as being used by God for anything at all.
Jesus walked on water.
Moses parted the Red Sea.
A Cloud followed the ark of the covenant.
And the JW religion owns this bad boy: http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
Do you see the slight difference here Reniaa?
This is why many people after knowing the entire JW range of facts end up walking away altogether.
And this despite the fact that we will be judged as wicked, as some apostate, be labeled, shunned and lose almost everything we have.
Is this fair Reniaa? Is this scriptural Reniaa? No, it is neither... and I have examined all the scriptures many times and in great detail. No scripture supports this unfair abuse of power and loss of friends, family and reputation.
I hope you take the time to honestly examine all these things Reniaa.
Be ready to cut your own flesh and blood off. Because you just might have to. It happens more than you probably know.
Take care,
Vinny
P.S. Let me know if you finally want to answer those questions you ran away from many times now. Here's the first time link:
On page three and four you simply vanished. And then I tracked you on many other threads Reniaa. But you were one fast rabbit, I must say.
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keyser soze
I think Jehovah and Satan are just fucking with us. They're knocking down a couple of cold ones together and having a laugh at our expense.
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Vinny
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/167947/10/Deceptive-or-just-wrong
Here's another one that you ran away from Reniaa before it was locked. Here, Ill post it again for ya Reniaa:
I think both Johnny and Reniaa are probably legit. Like many folks on the way IN, or OUT of WT-world, they have questions/opinions/doubts about religion and the WT Society in particular. And this is as good a place as any to debate those issues.
I seriously doubt that any of arguments put up by Reniaa and Johnny C over the past few months are persuasive enough to make ANYBODY go running back to the organization. In fact, quite the contrary in my own case. Their arguments, IMHO, are just plain weak and only confirmed why I left altogether.
I was a 15 year JW until just recently. I left the JW faith based on an intense, sincere, honest and thorough examination of the entire range of facts as they truly are. I looked at ALL SIDES OF THE ISSUES.
My exact reasons for leaving and story out can be found here: http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/topic/922/t/Letter-of-disassociation.html
I did not want to leave the WT Society. I raised all my kids as JW's. I was married to a JW. All of our employees were JW. I was a very busy elder with many responsibilities, enormous respect and numerous friends. I did not want to leave or go looking for critical info. IT FOUND ME.
But facts are facts here folks. The JW's have had more mistakes, flip-flops, false predictions, medical disasters, blinking lights, wacky teachings and TOTAL EMBARRASSMENTS than any single religion during the past 100 years.
TAKE A LOOK:
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
One whiff of that bad boy tells it like it is for most reasonable, thinking people.
Jehovah was never behind these sorry teachings that were forced on JW's at risk of being DF'd and losing everything you know.
Did God say Organ Transplants were same as "Cannibalism" in 1968?
Did God then change his mind in 1980 and now say organ transplants are okay to have?
Did God offer bad food back then?
Did God change his mind on Alternative service, Vaccinations, blood and fractions, rape rules, homosexuality and bestiality not breaking the marriage ties too?
I could list hundreds, even THOUSANDS of things similar.
Did God say the end would come in 1914, 1925, 1975, before the year 2000 and before the generation that was born in 1914 died out?
Was God responsible for all those sorry teachings, IN WRITING, found throughout the WT Society literature for over 100 years?
Was God behind Beth-Sarim too? What another sorry joke that was too.
Or is the simple truth that a group of MEN from New York City are the ones behind all those sorry things that they got wrong again and again yet demanded complete obedience along the way?
All these things that JW's said were "Food from God" WERE WRONG THE MINUTE THE CAME OFF THE PRESSES.
God was not behind any of it and the evidence proves he never chose the JW's for anything.
The only people that say God has chosen JW's are JW's themselves. Not very convincing here folks.
Sure the apostles made mistakes just like people today make mistakes.
But when the disciples wrongly thought that Kingdom Rule was about to begin they ASKED JESUS ABOUT IT... and he corrected them.
They did not PUBLISH THOSE WRONG BELIEFS as JW's have done again and again.
If they did then the bible would not be anything more than some good book to most folks today.
If the bible writers had the same sorry history as the JW's do today then all credibility that God is behind the bible writers would be shot down in flames.
The printed page tells it like it is.
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
And despite this sorry list of embarrassments, that is the JW's BABY FOR LIFE, they say that everybody must now become JW or be DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION.
And this thread proves why the JW's ARE WRONG ON BLOOD TODAY, 11-2008!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/150613/1.ashx
Sorry folks, but WT world is not anything but another controlling religious institution that makes great boasts and claims about themselves.
And nothing posted by Reniaa or Johnny C has changed one single thing. In fact has only confirmed what most of us have already come to find out on our own. The WT Society is not God's anything.
The FACTS really do tell it like it is. Sorry.
Vinny
*** There memory all refreshed for Reniaa. (I wonder whatever happened to Johnny C?)
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reniaa
HI Vinny
You have certainly bought into all the anti-witness propoganda, They Jws have riden a rocky path to were they are today and I think it has more ways to go, Our leaders have made mistakes in applying bible principle but I could say the same of any Religion. Show me one that has it perfectly? On ly Jesus was perfect having Gods blessing in humans like Moses, David and solomon, the rabinic Priesthood did not guarentee Perfection in teaching and it doesn't now. The appostles dealt with this problem too and they had disagreements we can read about.