Sunday School Teacher Indicted for Murder and Rape - Still Lots of ?????

by flipper 39 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • avishai
    avishai

    but child molesters who are women are incredibly rare.

    I disagree, I believe it's just underreported. Look @ all the teachers getting busted lately. I've also worked in a similar field to you, Bizzy. About 40% of the kids I worked w/ who had been molested had been molested by females. I know, the stats say 14% etc. But i believe it's higher, and due to the fact that until very recently, even in this culture, if a boy or young teen slept w/ an older woman, he was "seduced" it was a "right of passage" not molestation, I know of very recent cases where the cops and even some therapists have LAUGHED when boys brought this up, refused to make an arrest, etc.

    And even 14% is "rare", not incredibly rare.

  • observador
    observador

    I agree with Avishai here. There is nothing rare about females doing these types of heinous thing. I also don't think she's protecting anyone.

    All it takes for a woman to do this to a child is for her to have a sick mind combined with herself having child who is either sick, less pretty, less talented, etc. etc. who makes her feel extremely jealous or inferior.

    It's funny, everytime a woman commits a heinous crime, someone comes up saying 'oh women don't do these things'. Well, they do, and both society and the legal system have to punish them the same way they do when a man rubs a child's bottom.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    I was baffled too.

    (I meant to post this as an example of the media mentioning a perp's religion. jws love to say the media only mentions religion when the perp is one of their own, they're the only ones being peeeeeeeersecuted. blah blah blah)

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    I got the feeling that what Bizzy meant was that the sort of crime 'violent sexual crime resulting in death' happens far less frequently by females than it does in the male population. sammieswife.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    My observation was anecdotal - I coordinated investigations of child sexual abuse with police, forensic psychologists, district attorneys, medical providers, judges, etc. I can recall only one investigation of a female out of about 100 cases. So, in my personal and professional experience, female abusers were rare. Granted, there is much more abuse that goes unreported, by males as well as females. It is also possible that because females are usually the caregivers, children do not recognize the difference between a caring touch and a sexual one.

    My agency provided the psychologists who interviewed the children. We also went into schools to teach children about safety - good touch/bad touch - because young children often do not know that they are being sexually abused - they have no frame of reference for the concept.

    Avashai, if you worked with older kids, they may be recalling abuse that they either didn't report or didn't recognize at the time as abuse.

    One study cites females as the perpetrators in 12% of sexual abuse cases of children who are under age 6, and 6% of sexual abuse of children ages 6 through 12.

    THOUGHT: Sexual assaults are more about power than about sex. Men who feel powerless in the world get satisfaction and relief from those feelings of inadequacy by the act of dominating someone weaker - physically and/or sexually. Women are not socialized (as men are) to put such a high priority on power - physical or otherwise.

  • flipper
    flipper

    NO MORE KOOL AID- I agree. I feel there will be more to come out on this murder. Possibly another person involved in the rape and murder of the girl . Perhaps another man. The police are still searching and investigating. It is so tragic ; I can't even imagine how horrible this girl's parents feel . I agree, let's all hug our kids.

    ST. ANN- It is awful to be sure. Who is Nancy Grace ? I haven't heard of her ? Just curious.

    CAWSHUN- Very true. When I heard it was a Baptist Sunday school teacher who had been arrested I thought - " Stands to figure. " We have seen so many children molested by authority figures in religious groups it's ridiculous. And when it stretches out to abuse AND murder - it's horrific.

    SAMMIE's WIFE- It is horrific to be sure. How in the world did the guilty woman get exacto blades smuggled into prison to off herself with ? Weird.

    BIZZY BEE- Thanks for your professional opinions. I respect them and you bring out some very good points. It does seem extremely bizarre that this woman acted alone without an accomplice . I still think she is holding back possible information concerning someone else who may be involved. Not so much from her confessions, or lack thereof but I find 2 things very troubling concerning the grandfather priest's behavior. I heard him interviewed on a Sacramento radio station at the outset of the investigation and he sounded very aloof , very stoic and short in his answers to the press questions like, " We are cooperating fully with the police investigation . " Period mark, nothing else. And I find it odd that he or his wife or anybody in his family has NOT publicly offered any condolences to the family of Sandra Cantu even when the funeral has already been given. The silence to me is very telling and quite suspicious.

    BEKSBKS- I'm liberal as well and I want to see the person, or person's fry who killed this dear little girl too. I too think that Melissa Huckaby is taking the fall for someone.

    AWAKEN 2004- I too find it hard to believe that a mother of a 5 year old girl could rape and kill another girl. I think Huckaby hasn't said everything - and she is taking the fall for someone else.

    JIMMY PAGE- It totally is disgusting and extremely disturbing.

    AVASHAI- I respect your takes like Bizzy Bee's because I know you work in this field as well. I'm sure you are correct when you say that lots of female abuse of children goes unreported. Just look at all the female school teachers in the news who have been brought up on child abuse charges. And it does seem the media downplays it when a teacher molests a teenage boy. It's kind of the wink, wink syndrome. But I have rarely seen reports of women sexually abusing young children like 8 or 5 years of age. Just don't see it too often. That's why I still think another person who did this is out on the loose somewhere.

    OBSERVADOR- I realize women commit serious crimes . Happens ALL the time. Just not against 5 or 8 year olds. That's very rare. I still think this woman DID NOT act alone in this crime. I think she is involved, an accomplice, or perhaps did some of the crime - but I have an eerie feeling somebody else is guilty as well.

    REBEL 8 - This is one abuse and murder case that the Jehovah's Witnesses CAN'T say that they are being singled out - as it was a Baptist sunday School teacher arrested ! I think lots of these religions have sick, twisted weirdos in them wanting to be near children for this very purpose

  • Athanasius
    Athanasius

    Hi Flip.

    BizzyBee's scenario seems the most logical, that Ms. Huckaby accidentally killed the girl in a fit of anger and tried to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping and sexual assault by an unknown perpretrator. She may be a mother, but mothers killing their own children are not that uncommon these days.

    Nevertheless, women are capable of heinous crimes. During World War II some of the women concentration camp guards were more brutal and sadistic than the men.

  • flipper
    flipper

    ATHANASIUS- It might have been an accidental killing , but your statement " mothers killing their own children are not that uncommon these days" is rather shocking and I tend to respectfully disagree. True , OCCASIONALLY you will read in the newspaper of a mother going bonkers due to mental illness or stressful conditions in life murdering her kids - but I wouldn't classify it as " not that uncommon ". I think it's very uncommon. Maybe you read other news media outlets than I do

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Here's the latest:

    Public skeptical that woman killed, raped girl

    By MARCUS WOHLSEN and JULIANA BARBASSA, Associated Press Writers Sat Apr 18, 2:11 pm ET

    TRACY, Calif. – Callers have inundated the phone lines of Tracy police, saying it can't be. Veteran homicide and sex-crime researchers say they cannot recall a case quite like it. Even the investigators themselves looked at the evidence and initially said "no way."

    A woman was accused not only of killing someone else's child, but of raping her

    Law enforcement officials and other experts say the allegations against Melissa Huckaby in the slaying of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu are remarkably rare over decades of U.S. police work.

    Huckaby was charged Tuesday with murdering her daughter's playmate, with the added special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping. The 28-year-old divorced mother is due back in court Friday, when she is expected to enter a plea.

    Sandra's body was found on April 6 — 10 days after she went missing. It was stuffed in a suitcase that was pulled from an irrigation pond near Tracy, a small town where San Francisco's suburbs meet California's farm belt.

    Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said dozens of callers a day have insisted that Huckaby could not have acted alone, that no mother would rape another's child, that the scenario was too improbable to be true. The case is so striking that police initially shared the public's reaction.

    The investigators themselves, when first confronted with the evidence that pointed to Huckaby, were inclined to look for another suspect.

    "When investigators were first looking at this they went 'Huh, no way... Who did she work with?'" Sheneman said. "We got that info and said 'there's no way, that doesn't happen.'"

    "After this case, I'll never say never again," Sheneman said, adding that police remain confident that Huckaby acted alone.

    Department of Justice data on U.S. homicides dating back more than 30 years highlight the unusual nature of this crime, said James Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University .

    Of the more than 600,000 cases recorded — more than 90 percent of U.S. homicides since 1976 — only one comes close to the alleged circumstances of Sandra's killing, said Fox. The data did not include names and some other details; the Associated Press was unable to locate the case.

    Researchers say the Huckaby case does not match the typical profile of sex crimes by females.

    Women represent only 1 percent of all adult arrests for forcible rape and 6 percent of all adult arrests for other sex offenses, according to a Department of Justice report .

    When they do commit sex crimes, women often are acting as accomplices to men, and their victims tend to be teenagers, said David Finkelhor , director of the University of New Hampshire Crimes against Children Research Center.

    "It's very, very rare for women to molest children, and when they molest children it's very unusual for them to molest a child of this age," Finkelhor said. "It's unusual for women to kill children who are not their own."

    Police have declined to publicly state where and how Sandra was killed, but they have said they do not have a motive.

    "I find it really hard to speculate on the motivation," Finkelhor said.

    Court documents and interviews with family members show Huckaby had a rocky personal life. She went through a divorce and bankruptcy and fought depression as she tried to hold down a job and raise a child.

    In 2002, she won a restraining order against a boyfriend who had an extensive criminal record and a restraining order from a previous marriage, according to San Joaquin County court records .

    She married John Huckaby in 2003, separated a year later and divorced in 2005. In divorce papers , Melissa Huckaby accused John Huckaby of child abduction , domestic violence and alcohol abuse — allegations he denied in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday.

    Records show she was arrested in November and charged with burglary and petty theft from a store. The judge suspended the case and appointed a doctor to assess Huckaby's mental health. She was found competent to stand trial. In a deal with prosecutors, she pleaded no contest in January to the petty theft charge and the burglary charge was dropped.

    Huckaby's attorneys could use the sheer statistical improbability of the murder case to cast doubt on the allegations, regardless of the evidence, legal experts said.

    "Instinctively it doesn't feel like a good fit," said William Portanova, a Sacramento defense lawyer and a former state and federal prosecutor .

    "It's an extraordinarily rare circumstance to have an adult female commit a sexual assault and murder on a female child alone," Portanova said. "So right off the bat, any attorney is going to be looking to disprove that theory."

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  • avishai
    avishai

    I agree that all of those circumstances and behaviors added up are extremely rare. So were the circumstances w/ the child rapist/murderer

    Joseph Edward Duncan III, but stuff does happen. Not to say I know what happened or if she's guilty.

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