Trinitarians don't believe that Jesus is the Father. That was NEVER taught. Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit = ONE.
Jehovah created Jesus? Jesus is "a god" and "mighty god"? Consider these...
by Chalam 58 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Decided
What happened to the three in one God? They have been gone now for 2,000 years and haven't shown up for anyone. Well maybe to help some roll on the floor and speak some crazy words, or save someone with an emotional feeling. He just took off back to heaven and hasn't been seen since. They didn't get stuck back together and can't get appart did they?
Ken P.
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Chalam
Hi,
Trinity means tri unity i.e. three in one. Here is a good definition.
1 : the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma
OK is Jesus the Father? You decide?
John 10:30 (New International Version)
30 I and the Father are one."
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.Is the Holy Spirit the spirit of Jesus?
Galatians 4:6 (New International Version)
6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."
Is the Holy Spirit the spirit of the Father?
Romans 8:14-15 (New International Version)
14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
There you go, the Trinity!
Want it in a nutshell?
Matthew 28:19 (New International Version)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Notice that it is name (singular). Obviously the three are one.
All the best,
Stephen
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@ SBF - "You are right about that possible-san. I have been in that position myself when I used to defend the Witnesses. We should cut reniaa some slack."
Why? Reniaa chooses to come here and defend a religious group that has scarred the vast majority of the users of this forum. Why should we cut Reniaa slack?
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Borgia
Even Moses was said to be "A god to Pharoah" human judges were called gods....some scriptures you quote are refering to idols as "other gods."
Witness 007.......ok granted.....I guess Jehovah...or was it Jesus?.....had a temporary lapse of memory or got carried away in an attempt of self glorification?
Cheers
Borgia
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yesidid
Why should we cut Reniaa slack?
One reason is that some of us are trying to convince her that she is not a Christian but we are.
From what I have read Jesus did a lot of slack cutting.
yesidid
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@ yesidid - but Jesus also exposed lies and hypocrisy.
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yesidid
but Jesus also exposed lies and hypocrisy.
True, but it seems to me, he saved that for the scribes and pharisees.
To those taken in by their leaders he was very kind.
yesidid
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Chalam
I agree!
The question is was Jesus addressing the men or else the unclean spirits directly when He was calling them a "brood of vipers"?
2 Peter 3:9 (New International Version)
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
So let us be patient and loving with Reniaa and others of similar mind. We should welcome them here, not beat them to a pulp! After all, many here would have defended "the religion" in similar fashion to Reniaa at one time.
All the best,
Stephen
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Black Sheep
I always marvel at the nonsensical reasoning of trinitarians who try and convince themselves that Jesus is the Father/Jehovah
Yadda,
They don't try to convince themselves of that.
That is a strawman trinity that the WT likes to portray because it is so easy to refute.
See Trevor Scott's excellent essay on this deception at http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/strawman.htm
Cheers
Chris