I love you God...thanks so for the tornados and earthquakes.......

by oompa 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • oompa
    oompa

    Believe it or not, the article below actually cites proof that earthquakes are no more frequent or worse in the last days than throughout history, nor are any other events like cyclones and draught. When i questioned my wife about a recent tornado and why god made them and other natural disasters, my WT trained wife tried to say man has caused in imbalance in the natural forces......but the WT article cited quotes two books as saying they apparetnly have not, as nothing has really changed over the ages (which really surprised me since earthquakes and other disasters are supposed to have gone crazy since 1914!).

    So then, the 242,000 that died in China (mentioned below) actually caused their own death by earthquake? Because the last sentence does say "forces of nature are not to blame." It says the "human element" is guilty. Wife again says that is humans screwing up the environment, but of course i say "how could they have caused the earthquake since 'forces of nature are not to blame'?" As i see it, this article (good read) clearly indicates that the "human element" problem is that we are "in the way" of gods wonderful natural systems of earthquakes, cyclones, and tornadoes.

    Lets all try to stay out of gods way...........oompa

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    w9312/1p.6NaturalDisasters—IsGodResponsible?***

    WhatIsa"NaturalDisaster"?

    When an earthquake struck Tangshan, China, and according to official Chinese reports killed 242,000 people, and when Hurricane Andrew slammed into South Florida and Louisiana in the United States and caused billions of dollars in damage, such natural disasters made international headlines. Yet, what if that earthquake had struck in the uninhabited Gobi Desert, 700 miles [1,100 km] northwest of Tangshan, or what if Hurricane Andrew had taken a different course and had spent itself at sea, missing land altogether? They would hardly be remembered now.

    In this regard, note what the book NaturalDisasters—ActsofGodorActsofMan? has to say: "There is no evidence that the climatological mechanisms associated with droughts, floods and cyclones are changing. And no geologist is claiming that the earth movements associated with earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunami (earthquake waves) are becoming more violent." Similarly, the book Earthshock observes: "The rocks of every continent contain a record of innumerable major and minor geological events, every one of which would be a catastrophic disaster to mankind if they occurred today—and it is scientifically certain that such events will occur again and again in the future." In other words, the earth and its dynamic forces have more or less remained the same throughout the ages. Hence, whether or not some statistics indicate an increase of some forms of geologic or other activity, the earth has not become uncontrollably violent in recent times.

    What, then, accounts for the increase in the frequency and destructiveness of natural disasters that we read about? If the forces of nature are not to blame, the finger of guilt seems to point to the human element.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    I agree with you, and may God strike me dead if I'm wrong! ................................................namb, still here, common big man, kill me, here Iam kill me, Nothing!

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Uhm, Oompa? The geological record indicates that the last 20,000 years haven't seen any drastic periods of geologic or seismic activity - I'm referring to events like the Deccan Lava flows of India (many millions of years old, and quite possibly another contributing factor to the extinction of the dinosaurs), the multiple major eruptions of Yellowstone (the most recent was approx 650,000 years ago), the super-tsunamis that have hit the West coast of North America in the past (those actually did impact humans...), and so on.

    Here's a decent website to visit for more information: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2002/02_08_15.html

    The USGS site is a good source for information on past and future threats to humanity from geological forces. Off-topic, I've always been fascinated that the multiple [massive] eruptions of Yellowstone aren't connected to any mass extinctions - when one realizes the volume of rock those eruptions must have cast into the atmosphere, one realizes life here on earth must be pretty tough to have weathered those without going extinct...

    Zid

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    I saw a program today that showed the dust bowl on the high Amercian plains was caused by the government encouraging people to go settle on the high plains and plant crops. The grasses that had grown there forever held the top soils in place. Once vast acres were disturbed, the dust thrown into the air interfered with the moisture cycles and stopped too much of the annual rainfalls. Man has a part in many "natural" disasters. I'm not saying all of them, but many of them.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Yes, absolutely, FlyingHighNOw! Also, there was a piece on the news just a few days ago about the projected effects of global warming - human-caused, in this case... Bear with me here, I'm paraphrasing... "The revised projections for the effects of global warming show a much more drastic and immediate (that's relatively immediate; within our lifetimes...) effect on the planet...."

    In other words, global warming is happening faster and with a steeper 'drop-off' than originally expected... Contrast that to the mentality [state of denial?] in those trite little "What you can do to save the Planet!" tips... As George Carlin said, "Hang the planet, folks! When you realize that it's HUMANS who are likely to go extinct if we don't change our course of actions...!" [approximately what he said...]

    What really irritates me are those cutesy-pie little 'infomercials' (Nickelodeon has one showing some cutsie little tween babbling on about turning off lights or some such blather to save the planet...) that make it seem that saving the planet is just a matter of walking to the store once in a while and carpooling...

    While such measures are needed, and would help a little, the one significant fact that very few people realize is this: ONCE THE PROCESS OF GLOBAL WARMING BEGAN, IT IS GOING TO TAKE CENTURIES (at the very least) BEFORE THE CLIMATE WILL BEGIN TO RETURN TO 'NORMAL'!!!

    Sorry 'bout the bolds and CAPS, but this is something I would like to see every human being on the planet come face to face with... It's alreadyTOO LATE!!!

    Humans tend to have a great deal of hubris regarding their ability - or their deities' abilities - to resolve problems. It's a form of fantasy, really - strengthened and enhanced by the mythos of heroes that humans have been entertaining themselves with, around the campfires, for thousands of years - Bel, Ba'al, Zeus, Dionysus, Thor, Jesus, Superman, Green Lantern - one or more of these guys are going to come along and save us.

    Ain't gonna happen, people. I remember how waves of bubonic plague washed over Europe and gradually weakened the death-grip that Christianity had on the minds and wills of the Europeans... T'will be interesting to see how global warming - especially as it accellerates - will affect the belief systems of those who believe in the 3,300-year-old Middle-Eastern-Johnny-come-lately god...

    Speaking of which, here's an article on the eruption of Mt. Toba 74,000 years ago, which apparently DID nearly wipe out all of humanity - [still under investigation by the scientific communities...]: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2005/05_04_28.html

    And where was - uhm, whomever?? 74,000 years ago during that massive eruption of Mt. Toba? The bible didn't even exist until approximately 3,300 years ago! Which deity was in charge at the 74,000 year mark?? One of the Australian Aboriginal deities?? Didn't have any effect on 'saving' humanity, though! Don't expect better results from this Middle Eastern Johnny-come-lately god, either.... Just facing facts...

    So, what will help alleviate the effects of global warming, both short-term and in the long run?? A solution that is painfully obvious to most but VERY politically unpopular - MASSIVE REDUCTION of the human population.

    Don't panic! [Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy] I'm talking about using birth control, birth control, birth control!!! Instead of having a child every year, if MOST breeding couples - no, let's make that MOST breeding MALES - were limited to ONE OFFSPRING EVERY 10 YEARS, the human population would drop by - uhm, I was never good at math...

    "The world's current (overall as well as natural) growth rate is about 1.14%, representing a doubling time of 61 years. We can expect the world's population of 6.5 billion to become 13 billion by 2067 if current growth continues. The world's growth rate peaked in the 1960s at 2% and a doubling time of 35 years." from: http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/populationgrow.htm

    This site has a chilling graph: http://www.prb.org/Educators/TeachersGuides/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx

    But with regard to global warming, as I've always said, "If the human race doesn't voluntarily reduce its population, eventually Nature will reduce the human population - brutally and forcibly! Zid

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Oompa..The type is soooo frigg`n small..Good thread but it would be nice to read it without Binoculars!.............................LOL!!...OUTLAW

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I find it amusing when there is a terrible disaster and on the news they always have someone say something like "It's a miracle that more people were not killed!".

    NO. I would have been a miracle if the disaster was completely averted by an obvious supernatural act.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'Sorry 'bout the bolds and CAPS, but this is something I would like to see every human being on the planet come face to face with... It's alreadyTOO LATE!!!''

    This is what i don't understand: if it really is too late, and future generations will suffer an unavoidable global burning disaster, aren't all efforts futile? Kinda like trying to stop the niagara falls? If it's really too late, wouldn't the simplest choice be to let it run it's course? Niagara will stop falling when it wants to.

    S coming face to face w it

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'Sorry 'bout the bolds and CAPS, but this is something I would like to see every human being on the planet come face to face with... It's alreadyTOO LATE!!!''

    This is what i don't understand: if it really is too late, and future generations will suffer an unavoidable global burning disaster, aren't all efforts futile? Kinda like trying to stop the niagara falls? If it's really too late, wouldn't the simplest choice be to let it run it's course? Niagara will stop falling when it wants to.

    S coming face to face w it

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Sorry 'bout that, Satanus. I looked at my post and realized I'd slammed the door shut, so to speak, as to viable solutions. I re-posted with one solution that I've believed in all my life. Zid

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