Bethelite writes -Can be Disfellowshiped for being FAT??? Amazingly abusive articles!!!!

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  • undercover
    undercover

    I've never seen gluttony punished.

    I've seen smokers DFd, I've seen alcoholics DFd, I know of people who got a little carried away with the champagne at a wedding reception get privately reproved but never, in all my years associated with the JWs have I ever seen anyone even counseled for eating too much...and I've seen some gluttony among Jah's people.

    You put a congregation of people together at a picnic and you can see some gluttonous behavior. It used to amaze me how much some people could eat.

    But, if word leaked out that a few brothers had a few beers and got a little buzzed, hoooo-boy, look out. There'd be judicial committee meetings for days.

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    I've never heard of anyone being DF'd for gluttony. Perhaps it has happened, but I've never heard of it.

    Like undercover, above, I always thought the WT had a double-standard regarding drunkenness and gluttony. Both are squarely condemned in scripture, but the JW congregations with which I have been associated only paid attention to drunkenness/over-drinking (or the perception of it). I know some very prominent elders who must be pushing 300 lbs. It doesn't seem to have had a negative impact on their theocratic careers.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Gluttony means soooo much more than just "competitive" eating. If they really expounded on the meaning truthfully, I think you would arrive at the point that it could also be tied to covetness and greed. And that covers much more terrority than just food.

    It looks to me like this is just another slave beating article to pick on people who might be overweight. Nevermind it could be because of a medical problem. No excuses---sin is sin in WT world.

    Death threat alert:

    ...he may incurr God's displeasure and lose his life...God will bring law defying gluttons to an end..."

    All fat people will be killed at Armageddon (if not before)

  • zombie dub
    zombie dub

    ignoring all the scriptures about gluttony though, being obese is seriously bad for your health. So if you can be DF'ed for smoking (because it is unhealthy, and damages your body - therefore not shoing respect for your body), why not also obesity?

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    We had a Sister that took up 2 seats at the meetings, she could barely walk, she collected Pizza coupons from other families.....not disfellowshiped? Not a thyroid condition!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Actually, when the material came out about smoking and tobacco, it was connected with drugs and spiritism and that was the reason it was a df'ing offense, it was not the health aspect. This issue comes up when discussing blood transfusions with jws, since even if transfusions were completely safe medically, jws supposedly would still not take them.

    *** w73 3/15 p. 181 pars. 33-34 Approach to Jehovah or to the Demons—Which? ***It is of interest to us that the Greek word used in the Bible for "practice of spiritism," "sorcery" or "witchcraft" is phar·ma·ki´a, which is very closely related to our word "pharmacy." Phar·ma·ki´a means, literally, "druggery." Why is this word used for spiritism or sorcery? One authority says:

    "PHARMAKIA . . . (Eng., pharmacy, etc.) primarily signified the use of medicine, drugs, spells; then, poisoning; then, sorcery, . . . See also Rev. 9:21; 18:23. . . . In sorcery, the use of drugs, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with the provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of demons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer."—Vine’s ExpositoryDictionaryofNewTestamentWords.

    Is not the situation parallel today? Many drug users claim they are ‘approaching God,’ they are ‘expanding their minds.’ But actually it has to do with impressing the user with mysterious hallucinations and feelings, leading them to the demons, under the idea that the drug is freeing their minds for higher, broader thinking. If one is led into the practice of spiritism he is open to all sorts of wrong practices, demon influence, insanity and everlasting death. Spiritism, a work of the flesh, will prevent one from entering God’s kingdom, say the Scriptures at Galatians 5:21.

    *** w73 6/1 pp. 338-339 pars. 14-15 Keeping God’s Congregation Clean in the Time of His Judgment ***Do, then, persons who have not broken their addiction to tobacco qualify for baptism?

    The Scriptural evidence points to the conclusion that they do not. As has been explained in other issues of this magazine, the Greek word phar·ma·ki´a used by Bible writers and translated "practice of spiritism" or "spiritistic practices" has the initial meaning of "druggery." (Gal. 5:20; Rev. 9:21) The term came to refer to spiritistic practices because of the close connection between the use of drugs and spiritism. Tobacco was also used initially by the American Indians in this way. It can properly be placed, therefore, in the category of addictive drugs like those that provided the source for the Greek term phar·ma·ki´a. The nicotine in tobacco does not have the same mental and emotional effects produced by "hard" drugs such as heroin or the so-called psychedelic drugs like LSD; yet nicotine addiction does definitely affect the mind and exercises a strong enslavement.

    *** w88 10/1 p. 29 Remember Christian Principles ***We are also warned against the misuse of drugs: "The works of the flesh are . . . idolatry, practice of spiritism [phar·ma·ki´a, "druggery" in the original Greek]." (Galatians 5:19, 20) Additionally, the apostle Paul urges: "Let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit."—2 Corinthians 7:1.

    Smoking tobacco and using other addictive drugs clearly go against these Bible principles and are thus "lawlessness." (Matthew 7:23) Any servants of God who pollute themselves with such substances will find that their worship is not acceptable to God. Hence, many hundreds of thousands have taken the step of ceasing to use these drugs, and as a result, they have received both spiritual and physical benefits. Of course, it is not always easy to break away from these unclean habits.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    How do we know what the Bible writers meant by gluttony? Did the early christians, the gold standard for wisdom according to the WT, understand the mechanism of food/brain chemistry?

    Do overweight people need to be reminded that they are overweight?

    For me, more to the point, how does a person in NY know what God really thinks of a person's weight?

  • VIII
    VIII

    Why the FXck are a group of old F*ing white men in Crooklyn writing about gluttony and being fat in a *Religious* magazine?

    Why? Because they are judgemental pricks.

    As for someone having cancer and getting treatment and not losing weight?

    Ummm, yeah. Someone very close to me is currently undergoing treatment and due to the meds, which I won't state due to privacy, have made them totally unable to lose weight and have made them gain about 50 lbs.

    Their JW Mom? All she does is harp on when will you lose weight? Why don't you try Oprah and Dr. Oz's latest weight loss crap.

    I get copied on the e-mails the JW Mother sends to this person and it is sickening. She can't see that due to the meds her child is gaining weight and due to the meds can't lose weight. She is more concerned with what people will think about an overweight child. Not the cancer, not the fact the child will die, relatively soon.

    Sick bastards.

    Would Jesus be worrying about someone's weight? No.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Blondie: phar·ma·ki´a, which is very closely related to our word "pharmacy." Phar·ma·ki´a means, literally, "druggery."

    And how might this be applied if it was proven that the WT held stock in pharmaceutical companies?

    Why are industries never held responsible, but individuals are beaten?

  • blondie
    blondie

    cameo, I merely report which does not mean I support the WTS ideas. The WTS speaks out of both sides of their mouth on many issues, do you get the picture? I hope so.

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