Sad ending to a sad era ... (page 2)

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@ Garybus and PP - surely you don't think it is just that easy? It has many more layers that just a simple "get over it". I don't think people would mind being shunned by "some jerk" but for most it is family and what they thought were friends. Can be pretty hard to reconcile that kind of emotion and still come out sane.

It's never a case of a simple "get over it" and I'd never suggest it was. However, to stay in a cult because you fear losing contact with people who only stay in contact with you because you're seen to be part of their cult is surely counter-productive and in the long-term much more damaging that simply leaving.

It's especially disturbing that some willingly choose to stay in the cult, and live with a sense of foreboding due to the cult's rules and a sense of looking over one's shoulder due to the cult's elders, because they fear family members not speaking to them ever again. Not only are they subjecting themselves to a lifestyle restricted and shaped by a set of doctrines they don't believe in, but even worse, those doctrines are formulated from a fantastical book they don't believe in either!

mraimondi

garybuss, you have a ridiculous and judgemental viewpoint on all of this.

You sound far worse than anyone i've met as a witness. Your posts here are hateful and childish. It is sad you never learned from your experience as a witness.

iknowall558

I also agree with garybuss...........although I know it's not all black and white and every circumstance is not the same.....I really believe that when you know what's right andwrong and yet refuse to stand up for your beliefs and defend your rights...... because perhaps its "easier" and more comfortable to stay where you are.... then you are somewhat of a coward or lacking backbone. It would perhaps prompt the question as to why these ones are here in the first place........Is it because they truly have alove of God and his Truth.....or because it just happens to be convenient?

mraimondi

I strongly doubt many know its "wrong" or are "cowards" --

these are projections! And reveal alot about the people saying them.

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I strongly doubt many know its "wrong" or are "cowards" --
these are projections! And reveal alot about the people saying them.

I think you're missing the point. Gary is talking about those who are posting on here, knowing full well that the WTS isn't what it claims to be, yet choosing to go to all of the meetings etc because they don't want to be shunned by 'some jerk'.

garybuss

Hi mraimondi

Maybe you just need to quit reading my posts.

Sunday I'm going to look at the pictures of my son who shuns me because the Witnesses told him to. Monday morning I'm going to visit the grave of my first wife Delores, who refused chemo treatments supported with blood medical treatment for leukemia, because her Jehovah's Witness relatives and friends threatened to shun her if she took rational medical treatment. She died January 12, 1971 just after noon. She suffocated to death. She suffered terribly and it was a slow, painful death.

Monday afternoon I'm going to visit the grave of my father who shunned me the last 15 years of his life because Jehovah's Witnesses told him to. Then I'm going to Arco and visit the graves of my father's family. My uncle is there. He built the kingdom hall in Lake Benton with a cigarette in his mouth the whole time.

My aunt's there. She shunned me because I believed she was going to die. I take a garden spade and a pail and I tend her grave marker.

I'll visit my uncle's grave in Pipestone. He was a Jehovah's Witness pedophile who had three victims that I'm aware of. The Witness people here in Sioux Falls protected him so he could continue to molest little girls. The Witness people shunned me because I thought that was outrageous. I still do!

Last week I spoke with my mother. She's 88 and she shunned me from 1995 till 2008. She's living with my Jehovah's Witness brother who's shunned me since 1992.

Am I worse than any Jehovah's Witness? Damn right! I eat them bastards for breakfast. Did I learn anything from being pushed, shoved, marked, snubbed, shunned, lied to, and manipulated by Jehovah's Witnesses? Damn right! I don't like the sons a bitches!

iknowall558

Garybuss - You have every right to say what you think ......no wonder you feel the way you do

mraimondi -

"I strongly doubt many know its "wrong" or are "cowards" --

these are projections! And reveal alot about the people saying them."

If the posters on here all give you their reasons for feeling bitter or angy........then yes it will reveal a lot about them ------- but it will even more so reveal a lot about the organization and its enforced rules that have damaged these people in the first place. There is always a reason behind the way people act and what they say. It's not said purely out of spite or badness.

mraimondi

you have a huge chip on your shoulder because of verifiably bad things that have happened to you.

that doesnt reveal any intelligence on your part, and your attitude puts you RIGHT in line with them.

you ARE what you hate!

My grandfather drove the green bus in NYC for his whole working life. He got beat up by "niggers" he called them.

his only experience with blacks were these "niggers" - he was robbed and harrassed by them.

He applied his knowledge to an entire race due to his bad experiences.

my grandfather was racist.

you are just as bad.

I hope you die with some resolution, and not with this nastiness in your "soul".

mraimondi

yes, yes, keep agreeing, and building up this backwards thinking, very good.

keep falling in line...

ninja

gary.....I take it the lucky white heather I sent you years ago didn't work

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