Who have record the drama? i would like see
This year's drama of the prodigal son
by JimmyPage 20 Replies latest jw friends
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reniaa
Whatever choice you make in life whatever you choose to believe or not to believe you have to live by that choice, If you join the Jws they take a strict biblical moral stand showing many biblical examples of how much Jehovah disaproves of various wrongdoing by bible standards, Jesus himself was equally strict on these....
Matthew 5:27-29 (New International Version)
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' [a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Galatians 5:20-22 (New International Version)
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
You used an example of drunkeness onthewayout but here the bible clearly condemns it and the Jws follow the 'wine in moderation' as a rule for the whole but if individually they break this then they are not following their own teachings and those of the bible.
Your words only count if the leadership advocates drunkeness.
the truth is public opinion allows many things the bible condemns if your fellow man says you can do a thing is it ok? even if God condemns it in his words?
The bible like the Jws is very clear about what happens to people and it isn't good. Do you accept that Jehovah would be as strict as the Jws on these?
Is being a Jw about being in a social club? or being with others that want to follows God's word the bible so trying to stop sinning that the bible condemns?
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OnTheWayOut
Reniaa, I won't argue about drunkenness in the sense that I think it's okay, or that drunk driving is okay. It ain't.
I do believe that Galations was about a lifestyle of drunkenness, not an occasion of drinking a bit much. Jesus didn't say any words in the book of Galations, he was dead by then. Your initial paragraph indicates a Biblical example of where Jesus takes a strict stand-Jesus was at a wedding and everyone drank all the wine, the account seems to indicate that guests were intoxicated. Jesus turned water into more wine for these guests. So, I assume that if they can handle it without a drunken lifestyle, Jesus was okay with intoxication at a wedding festival. Either way, Jesus gave wine to intoxicated people. Start reading your Bible that way.
I stand by my statements that they say self fulfilling prophecies that bad things will happen if you leave "the truth." Hell, bad things happen to everyone. But they say it has nothing to do with "the truth" if bad things happen to JW's. Maybe it has nothing to do with the Watchtower organization and the Jehovah's Witnesses cult. Or maybe the religion is so ridiculously restrictive that people like Reniaa go off and live a life that's too wild then come creeping back because they think the disciplined life is better within the tower walls- just like the prodigal son.
If, instead, the youth were brought up to respect alcohol and get a proper view of sex and not be so implanted with fears of displeasing Jehovah, or if said youth learned those things after leaving the cult, then it wouldn't be a matter of being a terrible worldly person or a wonderful JW. Maybe Reniaa and other prodigals could learn to simply be wonderful people.
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isaacaustin
Whatever choice you make in life whatever you choose to believe or not to believe you have to live by that choice,
my reply: very true
If you join the Jws they take a strict biblical moral stand showing many biblical examples of how much Jehovah disaproves of various wrongdoing by bible standards, Jesus himself was equally strict on these....
My reply: not exactly true. They are more controlling on situations for the sake of image....but not exactly a strict moral stand for the sake of morality. They do not apply the verses you quoted below...but rather thru their controlling judicial system foster an attitude of 'not getting caught.'
Matthew 5:27-29 (New International Version)
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' [a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Galatians 5:20-22 (New International Version)
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
You used an example of drunkeness onthewayout but here the bible clearly condemns it and the Jws follow the 'wine in moderation' as a rule for the whole but if individually they break this then they are not following their own teachings and those of the bible.
Your words only count if the leadership advocates drunkeness.
the truth is public opinion allows many things the bible condemns if your fellow man says you can do a thing is it ok? even if God condemns it in his words?
The bible like the Jws is very clear about what happens to people and it isn't good. Do you accept that Jehovah would be as strict as the Jws on these?
My reply: The bible like the JWs????? Would Jehovah be as strict as the JWs?? As though JWs are the standard for either!! Many other faiths are clear, like the Bible is about what happens to people when they do not follows its principles. Many other faiths are as strict as Jehovah in not condoning wrongdoing....while not being as controlling as the JWs.
Is being a Jw about being in a social club?
my reply: It is about being in a cult, trying to serve God thru legalism. Honestly it is closer to being in a social club than about being with others that want to follow Gods word.
or being with others that want to follows God's word the bible so trying to stop sinning that the bible condemns?
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Nosferatu
Nevermind....
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darth frosty
This is a post I made last year and I cant believe how these idiots cn have a drama on a subject they do the exact opposite of what Jesus encourages.
The three greatest teachings of Jesus…
Are all cancelled out by the practices and teaching of the FDS. Jesus gave three outstanding examples of what it is to be a follower of his and the actions and mindset that you should have, all three of these teachings or example's are diminished by the practices of JW's.
First, The prodigal son, for most followers this is a beautiful example of unconditional forgiveness and love. The impetuous young son demands his inheritance and has the party of a lifetime. Finds himself in dire straits and realizes, OK I messed up. If my father just takes me back as a hired hand that will be better than the life I'm living now. So he humbles himself and goes to beg his father forgiveness. Before he can even ask for forgiveness, in fact while he is still a ways off, his father see's him and demands that he be dressed in a fine robe and a sumptuous meal prepared. Of course his older brother is hating on him but the father explains his joy to have the lost son back no matter what he did.
From this story most can gather that forgiveness is complete and instantaneous. Whatever wrongs someone may do, as long as they cease doing them and turn there course around there is no need for extreme penitence. In no way should a so called faithful person look down or think less of one who has sinned or done wrong in the past. Of course dubs do hold every thing that you have done in the past against you. There are several steps, rules, and procedures one must go thru to regain a favored status in there eye's.
Second, the Good Samaritan. A man falls victim to robbers who leave him for dead. Three of his countrymen (read brother's or fellow worshipers) see his condition and avoid helping him. A Samaritan (read worldly person) comes by and see's his condition. Not only does this Samaritan help this man, he makes arrangements to see to his ultimate recovery from his injuries.As we all know the dubs idea or extent in helping there fellow man, involves pushing literature on them and converting them to their faith. Now to make a convert some dubs will go out of their way to help a bible student. But just for the sake of doing what’s right they rationalize away the real meaning of Jesus’ words. While out of one corner of their mouths the espouse love of people as their main calling, in practice nothing could be farther from the truth.
Even among there own ranks there is divisions and dis-unity. Dubs will help someone as the absolute last resort or if forced or coerced. True love does not come natural for dubs there are steps and criteria to be met to be consider in the brotherhood. I mentioned all of these examples as they relate to dubs interaction with each other. When it comes to those outside of the BORG, worldly people are considered fodder for the dubs uses. A means to count time or use for the benefit of the dubs.
Finally on this subject, the future. The Good Samaritan made arrangement to continue to care for the man left for dead. It would have been easy for him to have called the police and got help for the man and left it at that. But, he went above and beyond that measure. He placed the man on his horse and got him to an inn and cleaned his wounds. He gave the inn-keeper money to continue his care till he returned. Future security is something dubs have no concept of, there own or that of their kids.
Due to their end of the world, Armageddon is coming tomorrow beliefs, dubs do not prepare for the future. They prepare for a future in the new world, but as for the here and now, nothing. They don’t have a plan for their kids, outside of encouraging them to pioneer and not go to college, and worse they don’t have a plan for themselves. How many dubs are now in their old age living below the poverty line? People who worked and struggled their whole lives and have nothing to show for it. When the fund managers came around and offered info on company 401k program or IRA’s, what is the dubs first thought? I don’t need this Armageddon is coming gimme my money now.
Last and greatest among Jesus teaching, the golden rule. Simply put do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple, effective and crosses all barriers. Again the WT unwritten rules and procedures negate this command. They are taught and led to believe, that if one does not believe and worship as they do, such a scripture does not apply to them. Now this is the key to the whole structure of the dubs as an organization. The words taught by Jesus and the bible on a whole are meant to be applied to all people, regardless of race religion or creed. Except to Dubs. They feel in their ‘holy chosen by God’ status that the words of Jesus are only meant to be applied to fellow worshipers.
Worldly people are not fit for them to show the love and compassion that Jesus told his disciples to have for all people. Once again this is of a two-faced nature. Out of one corner of their mouth they talk about how important it is to have love for fellow man, but carefully buried in their teachings is the opposite.
To insulate themselves from being ‘corrupted by worldly influences, They have subtle nuances and addendums to Christ words. When asked about giving to the poor and other charitable organizations they point to jesus words of ‘you will have the poor with you always’. Than they use circular logic to show that means the only hope for the poor, is to preach the good news(peddling their lit.)
Jesus said you should forgive others freely. The dubs place restrictions and parameters on their forgiveness. Jesus said to care for those you see in need, while the dubs intone that this refers to those in the faith. Jesus said to treat others in the way you want to be treated, again the dubs water this statement down. By their own rules and checklist for righteousness, they have a qualifying program of who deserves this treatment.
Looking back…damn this a long post.Frosty stuck at work on the 4th.
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drwtsn32
No Witnesses ever drive under the influence!
Oh, certainly not! A couple years ago a local elder here drove with a blood alcohol level nearly three times the legal limit and hit a 22 year old girl driving another car. She died. He is in jail serving a four-year sentence. At his trial at least a dozen JWs stood up for this barbarism by submitting "character witness" type letters. Ridiculous.
If you join the Jws they take a strict biblical moral stand ...
I don't need to join any religion to know that drunk driving is wrong. Or murder, stealing, or rape is wrong.
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poppers
Sometimes I feel like anonymously calling the cops when I know he's doing this just to make him make a dicission to either live by JW rules or not.
Oh wildflower, do it. You'd be doing the public a service. I remember how years ago I was sitting in a bar when my underaged neighbor came in and ordered a beer. I slyly let the bartender know that he was underaged and enjoyed watching him getting tossed out. It helped, of course, that this kid was a total jerk to begin with, but I justified it as serving the public interest as well as protecting the bar from lawsuit.
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JimmyPage
JWs never relate any experiences about how happy anyone is since they left the organization.
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Pistoff
All you need to know about the morality of the WT is this:
They require 2 witnesses to child sexual abuse, and they won't report it unless they are forced to by law.
Meanwhile, they disfellowship teenagers who CONFESS to little more than heavy petting.
All of the rest can be DISMISSED as rank hypocrisy.