Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject... (page 27)

besty

Pilchard replies:

I never use the NWT because I want to discus doctrine rather then get bogged down in "my bible is better than your bible" sidetracks.

There is no requirement to use the NWT to debate JW beliefs. Remember JW beliefs were developed a LONG time before they produced the NWT.

fine - forgive me for pushing you for a NWT defense on John 1:18 - it's not often we get a coherent JW apologist around these parts - please feel welcome and stick around - although I still find it difficult to reconcile why you so assiduously avoid their translation masterpiece :-)

Are you a current JW or an interested 3rd party or what? I'm a disfellowshipped apostate - hope we can still be friends :-)

WRT the timeline of JW beliefs I think we are all agreed that firstly there is a clear lineage to their so called unique beliefs starting with John Aquila Brown in 1823 and secondly their claim to divine choice in 1919 is belied by the complete absence of any unique teachings from that period that they still hold to be true today. So the concept of 'JW beliefs' is compromised.

I do not find it irrelevant to JW theology on the nature of gGod to find some support for an apparent inconsistent rendering of 'theos' in John 1:18 in their own translation.

stronglogos

HI EVERYBODY AND RENIAA, I LOVE JEHOVAH'S EATING MINISTRY AND VISITING MINISTRY THAT HE HAD WITH ABRAHAM IN GEN 18 AND JEHOVAH'S EATING MINISTRY AND VISITING MINISTRY HE HAD IN MATT 9:10-11, 14:15-21,15:32-38,26:26-28 LUKE 5:29-30,6:1-5,7:34-37,10:38-42,11:37-54,19:1-7,24:30-31,24:41-45,JOHN 21:12-13,ACTS 10:41 (MALACHI 3:6 AND HEBREWS 13:8 SPEAKING OF JEHOVAH'S CONSTANCY AND JEHOVAH IS ETERNAL AND JEHOVAH'S IMMUTABILITY) I MYSELF LOVE TO EAT HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS! DEAR FORUM AND RENIAA. IF THIS WAS A BOXING MATCH THESE GUYS GOT KNOCK OUT! FILMING THIS WAS LIKE FILMING BABE RUTH HITTING HOMERUNS OUT OF THE BALL PARK! READING ABOUT PEOPLE EATING WITH JEHOVAH AND BEING THERE LIKE ABRAHAM AND THE DISCIPLES IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME OF EXPERIENCE OF BEING THERE AND LOOKING IN THROUGH A WINDOW LIKE LOOKING AT THESE 14 VIDEOS, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THE SPIRIT OF JEHOVAH OPENED THESE 2 JEHOVAH WITNESSES EYES AND UNDERSTANDING (LUKE 24:45) UP THAT (JESUS IS JEHOVAH) THERE FACES WHICH YOU CAN NOT SEE WHICH (WE SEEN IN PERSON) AND THE PRESENCE OF JEHOVAH IN BIBLE JIM'S LIVING ROOM WHICH OVER WHELM EVERYBODY AS JEHOVAH REVEALED TO THEM THAT HIS SON IS JEHOVAH WAS SO OVERWHELMING THAT THESE VIDEOS DO IT NO JUSTICE. THEY CAME IN AS TEACHERS AND JEHOVAH GAVE THEM A COLLEGE EDUCATION ON WHO JEHOVAH IS (JESUS) AND SENT THEM HUMBLY OUT AS STUDENTS AND IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE THE ELEMENT OF HIS PRESENCE WHICH YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE BY LOOKING AT THE VIDEO'S WOULD HAVE OVERWHEM YOU TO. THE DIFFERENCE JUST LIKE READING ABOUT JEHOVAH EATING AND VISITING PEOPLE AND BEING THERE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME. (STRONGLOGOS)

Chalam

Hi STRONG,

Looks like you are strong by name, strong by nature! Some pretty bold statements with all those caps ;)

Maybe you could develop your strength on formatting too?!

BTW how did you get to hear about your vid on this board?

Anyhow, welcome aboard!

All the best,

Stephen

PopeOfEruke

Does God enjoy watching us discuss and indeed argue about all this stuff and his being? Why does he make it so difficult to understand?

I think if God was real he would have clearly defined his nature to us instead of all the gobbledy-gook found in the Scriptures. The scriptures to me seem to have been written or modified by 2 opposing camps - thus we have a bunch of verses supporting jesus=jehovah and another bunch written by the other group which believed Jesus is Gods son.

I don't ever see a clear winner in any of these discussions. Maybe God wants us to disagree. It's just all so depressing.

Pope

stronglogos

Hi Chalam- (Maybe you could develop your strength on formatting too?!) You have a great point Chalam it will take sometime for sure.

(BTW how did you get to hear about your vid on this board?) a guy name A'MAR/middleman

Anyhow, welcome aboard! Thank you Chalam.

Chalam

Hi Pope,

Chin up :)

Just focus on Jesus and it will all sort itself out before too long.

All the best,

Stephen

stronglogos

Cheer up Pope Jesus is Jehovah don't worry in the end of things it will all be cleared up! (stronglogos)

PopeOfEruke

Thanks for the support, Chalam and Stronglogos.

Pope

stronglogos

Bible Jim is a funny old guy who loves Jesus you have is number on the video so if you guys have any questions give him a call he would love to talk to any of you he has been sharing about Jehovah for 40 years before some of you were even born he is quite the witness! (stronglogos)

Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject...

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