My o' My, How Things Change. I Never Even Noticed.

by AK - Jeff 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Four years ago when I first came to this site, I was quite actively still proving, and reproving to myself that I did the right thing in leaving my lifelong religion as a Jehovah's Witness. Some of the key components of my research were found at Randy's site, especially the section on 'Spiritual Food at the Proper Time', a listing of thousands of Watchtower quotations without commentary. Another was the 'Quotes' site, and spin-offs of those ideas in a site called 'Reexamine'.

    I had bookmarked many of those sites.

    Now, just out of boredom, and with a desire to find a couple of favorite Watchtower quotes for use in a future bit of blogging, I find that none of the above are even there anymore. Randy's site has completely morphed - and while it is interesting, the component that aided me the most is gone - or at least I cannot find it or it's child. Reexamine is about athetic activities now - what? And of course 'quotes' was run out of business by the WTS - but at the time it was speculated that a dozen or more mirror sites would make sure the same information was out there. I can't locate anything that resembles it now.

    If I were to turn to the internet today as an active Jw, I might turn back around and go back to the KH - for me at least, the ability to prove that the Watchtower was full of shit from looking at compiled quotes from it's own literature was crucial. In the early stages of my leaving, I would never have ventured onto a site like this one, or Randy's current site. They would have appeared far too 'apostate' to my innocent understanding of the world out here.

    I suspect that the WTS is/has used copyright law to close all these self-incriminating sites. Still I can't help but wonder if daring Jw's, on the verge of understanding that something is wrong in the organization, might have a more difficult time finding sites that allow self investigation of the doctrines and lies of the Watchtower. I for one, never had a problem looking at actual quotes, and finding out the 'truth about the troof', and I think many Jw's are like that, no matter who supports the site.

    Perhaps I just don't know where those sites are now - but if they are truly gone, it is a shame.

    Just Ramblin' On

    Jeff

  • penny2
    penny2

    One of the best sites now is www.jwfacts.com (by our very own jwfacts).

    penny

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Yes I agree, Penny. I love Paul's site. It has changed little over time, except to improve.

    I don't mean to disparage Randy's site, or any others. They all serve a good purpose. I just think a dimension is missing nowadays that was enormously helpful to me early on.

    Jeff

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    I can still seem to find everything I need, but we likely have different needs:) I am pretty much finished with anything to do with 'proving' anything. It's been proven. I am done.

    Actually, it's kind of funny, today, I deleted almost all of my JW related bookmarks. Bookmarks on my PC are mostly related to being a good little tightwad now!:)

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    JwDaughter -

    I was about to delete some of them too - I hadn't even opened my Jw favorites folder for ages - that's when I discovered that those sites had changed.

    I have a person in mind whom I wanted to have a couple of quotes ready for - that is why I was even looking. It feels great to be free of all that doesn't it?

    Jeff

  • Mary
    Mary

    Hey hon, as for 'quotes', just google "Watchtower quotes uk" and bookmark it!

  • Tuesday
    Tuesday

    Doctor Bob's website is the one that made me leave, it's funny how it's the simple things that effect some people. For me he had this fantastic gif up where it was a man running around a box constantly and it had the schedule of JWs and underneath asking if they really had time to examine anything.

    It was the single greatest thing I saw JW related, sadly that's gone.

    I think youtube is the next medium that is going to get folks out in droves, that is if youtube stops with their ridiculous terms of service. Or if JWs ever figure out false flagging...

  • blondie
    blondie
    Error 404 - Not found
    The document you requested is not found.

    Mary, I get this message on that site.

  • Hoping4Change
    Hoping4Change

    Try this for the quotes site: http://www.qwotes.info/index.htm .

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    All the same stuff on my site is there, but hasa not yet been fully organized. I believe Besty is working on the "History" section still. :-)) The quotes part of this I got by typing in "spiritual food" in the search engine. I will get the History section morte organized soon so these things are erasier to find. I also have something online that most of you haven't seen , which is most of my "Thus Saith Jehovah's Witnesses" with photocopies to demonstrate: http://www.dannyhaszard.com/ts/contents.htm 35. Spiritual Food at the Proper Time Part 4: 1975-2000 And Beyond
    (Doctrine/Prophecy) ... a correction of our previous views, and the surviving remnant of spiritual Israel needed to be readjusted to the postwar realities and opportunities.. This revised program of Bible education had a profound ... Saturday, 25 April 2009 36. Spiritual Food at the Proper Time Part 3 - 1914-1925
    (Doctrine/Prophecy) ... theocratic Kingdom of God on earth, civil and religious, spiritual and earthly .. The Temple .. is a type and symbol of 'better things to come', after the wars, revolutions and anarchy of the period from ... Saturday, 25 April 2009 37. Spiritual Food At The Proper Time - Part 2 - 1914-1925
    (Doctrine/Prophecy) ... sole chosen representative on earth. All quotations are fair and direct, and taken from Watchtower publications only. "Adult Christians too can be disappointed, and this has in some cases led to spiritual ... Saturday, 25 April 2009 38. Spiritual Food at the Proper Time - Part 1 - 1776-1913
    (Doctrine/Prophecy) ... never come down until the kingdom is known in the earth." [the banner came down in 1939, and now the WT banner only claims 'Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom'] 1876 "Furthermore, the remnant of spiritual ... Saturday, 25 April 2009 39. Spiritual Food at the Proper Time - Introduction
    (Doctrine/Prophecy) List of prophecies, predictions and claims made by THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY (WTBTS), the official organisation of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, which actively preaches that it is God's sole chosen ... Saturday, 25 April 2009 Thanks for the tip! We are working to improved all these things. yours, Randy

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