So then, EVERY time, in EVERY case, it is this Ideomotor effect that makes it move.
Okay, whatever you say.
Warlock
ouija board
by The-Borg 170 Replies latest jw friends
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drwtsn32
So then, EVERY time, in EVERY case, it is this Ideomotor effect that makes it move.
Can you cite one objectively verifiable case where the planchette moved because of some other (supposedly supernatural) means?
Your line of thinking is similar to the UFO believers: "How could every report, every piece of evidence, etc., be a hoax or mistake?" But guess what: there is not any objective, verifiable evidence that aliens have ever been here. All reports of aliens can certainly be wrong.
My stand with ouija boards is the same as it is with other "extraordinary claims." Show me the objective evidence and then I'll believe.
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Warlock
Dr.,
So you and I could put our hands on a container of water and make it boil just using our subconscience, even if we didn't believe we could?
Could we move it?
Maybe levitate it?
Warlock
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drwtsn32
I don't believe in any sort of psychic power that can affect an external object (movement, temperature, etc). Telekinesis would be cool, but it's not real.
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Warlock
I don't believe in any sort of psychic power that can affect an external object (movement, temperature, etc).
But the subconscience can move a planchette.
Warlock
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drwtsn32
But the subconscience can move a planchette.
Not quite. Your subconscious moves your hand. Your hand moves the planchette. If you could move it directly with your subconscious while not touching it, that would be telekinesis.
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Warlock
Your hand moves the planchette.
Nope.
My hand wasn't moving it.
If you and I put our hands on a pencil or pen, will it move?
Warlock
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Warlock
Okay, while I was waiting to get back on JWN, I took a styrofoam cup, put my fingertips on it, had my wife do the same, and told her that Penn and Teller said we could move it on the table with our subconscience.
Guess what? We couldn't do it.
Warlock
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drwtsn32
My hand wasn't moving it.
Your hand was on it, right? Your subconscious combined with expectation was moving your hand. That's the ideomotor effect. Dousing/divining rods operate using the same principle.
If you and I put our hands on a pencil or pen, will it move?
If it was a circumstance where people were at some level expecting it to move, then yes, most likely. The actual object makes no difference. You blindfold people, sit them in front of a ouija board, tell them to put their hand on the planchette (which might be a big Oreo cookie in our little test), and it will move just as if it were a "real" planchette.
There is nothing supernatural going on.
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drwtsn32
Guess what? We couldn't do it.
Expectation is a big part of it, Warlock.