Long time reader.....first time poster

by JWinprotest 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32

    Welcome JWinprotest! Thanks for sharing your situation.

    My personal feeling on this is that it's not worth staying in the religion just to retain friendships. It is true that there's an amount of pain involved with leaving and having friends and family (potentially) cut you off, but it will eventually be overshadowed by the joy in being able to live your life the way you see fit. The time it takes for that joy to overtake the pain varies from person to person.

    Best of luck to you and your family. You all deserve to be happy!

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others
    Please read Steve Hassan's most excellent, "Combatting Cult Mind Control" if you have not already done so. You'll be glad you did.

    I agree this is a must read.....

    Welcome to the forum....

    hope4others

  • LUKEWARM
    LUKEWARM

    Welcome JWinprotest!!

    Great screen name!

    Some good advice has been given to you so far - thought you may be interested in reading this post related to fading.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/34518/1/On-The-Art-Of-Fading

    Look forward to more of your posts

    Lukewarm

  • WuzLovesDubs
    WuzLovesDubs

    Welcome and please take a BIIIIIG HUG from me because we all SO get what you are going through. But I agree with the posters who said not to jump into feeding your inlaws antijw stuff to prove your position because that will quickly get the door slammed, and not only will your wife lose her mother, your daughter will lose her grandparents.

    Take a deep breath and start planning your fade. Your daughter is not a baptized JW. If she wants to sing songs she can sing whatever her little heart wants to. She is in SCHOOL of COURSE she is going to learn those songs! That doesnt mean YOU are responsible for that does it? :)

    I know JWs who sing along with Christmas songs too. (when they think nobody hears them!)

    Welcome...keep posting here and letting us know whats happening with you k?

    LD

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    What does this have to do with Michael Jackson?

    Welcome to the forum.

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    You owe your children first, to have your unconditional love, to have a free mind, relative free spirit with normal guidelines, fun, music, arts, education, including the goal of college, etc.

    Your wife will have to make that decision someday. Perhaps, she can 'gradually' let her mom know her true feelings and thoughts. Sometimes, the older or aging parent will be very sensitive, taking any criticism about the WTS as a criticism toward them personally. So hopefully your wife can separate her WT critcism and reinforce her mom with appreciation for all the otherwise good things in her childhood. Your wife's mom will have to respect your wife and if she cannot or does not, then your wife will have to do all she can first to ensure the respect of her daughter.

    The next 13 yrs will go by fast for your daughter and you. I understand your dilemma fully. I, too, struggled with the delicate balance/imbalance of forthrightness and honesty leaving the JW world. However, for my 5 children, I finally accepted, that I must move on at all cost for my kids. I have raised my 5 children free of the Watchtower, though they have some memories while small. They have all graduated college and appreciate their freedom and me and they know my story well.

  • oompa
    oompa
    oompa: and ya.....this is a support site...NOT an apostate site.....
    Leavingwt: This site meets the WT definition of "apostate", for sure. It would also meet the following dictionary definition: "A person who renounces a religion or faith."
    I must assume, Oompa, that you're referring to a different definition of the word "apostate".
    Let's define our words so that they do not become meaningless. OK?

    JWN homepage:

    Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum
    The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society... or just make new friends!

    leaving wt...my point is that it is not advertised as an apostate site, but neither is it labeled a support site...for me it is a support site, but even "rabid" apostates are free to post here....i one told my wife that i choose not to read the nutjob apostate posts when i see one......and i have chastised many a poster who "exaggerates" the wrongs of the WT when geeeze......the real truth is bad enough and does not need to be embellished. For me...i see way more support for the many with sad stories here.....and ya...it IS a great place to make friends.......

    as far as the Insight book definition of "apostate"...if we go by the strict sense of hebrew and greek...there are a helluva lot more out there than WT wants to admit:

    it-1p.126Apostasy

    This term in Greek (a·po·sta·si´a) comes from the verb a·phi´ste·mi, literally meaning "stand away from." The noun has the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion."

    so LMAO!!.......that means everyone who has stopped going to meetings is an APOSTATE!!....they have deserted and abandoned the KH for sure...stopped going in service.......ya...they no longer worship in the manner they are "supposed to"........

  • besty
    besty

    lol @ shamus - i think the link to MJ is obvious - a singing 5 year old - what more link do you need.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Hello and welcome... you're in good company.

    Love,
    Baba.

    (Welcome also to "Am I Worldl(y) Now")

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Welcome.

    You are indeed inbetween a rock and a hard place.

    I do agree with the posters that tell you that your children come first. Right now, it is not hard. However, if you have Christmas at home, but expect a small child to tell the difference between what to say at the Hall and at home, she will have trouble.

    Will she have friends from the Hall? If so, their parents will soon mark her as a bad associate if she starts singing songs at people's houses and tells what she got for Christmas.This will soon have repercussions for you as her parent, as well. You would be forced to contradict her if asked about Holidays and the flag salute issue.

    If she doesn't get to have "worldly" friends, she will be in a friendless zone.

    It is not fair to a child to be forced to live a double life. Choose one and go with it.

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