Should Martin Luther have refrained from posting his 95 theses and "waited on Jehovah?"

by gubberningbody 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Luther didn't have a problem with Jews as a people, it was his hatred of their faith that got him that lable.

    Dude, he was an anti-semite. He wanted them expropriated of their property and enslaved. He was not alone in this of course, so it isn't necessarily fair to single him out. Johann Eck on the other side of the debate was another one. I guess the only thing people back then seemed to agree on is that Jews were evil baby snatchers.

    That's if you buy the Catholic version of history.

    Well, why don't we get down to the facts DD?

    BTS

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Dear "dude" I mean burn

    Dude, he was an anti-semite. He wanted them expropriated of their property and enslaved. He was not alone in this of course, so it isn't necessarily fair to single him out. Johann Eck on the other side of the debate was another one. I guess the only thing people back then seemed to agree on is that Jews were evil baby snatchers.

    If you have the time this is a pretty fair treatment of Luther.

    http://www.ntrmin.org/Luther%20and%20the%20Jews%20(Web).htm#c1

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    Actually, he wrote his vitriolic diatribe "The Jews and Their Lies" at the end of his life when it has been suggested that his health was affecting his mind at that time. This wasn't his initial reaction, though it did serve to demonstrate the views of his time. Initially he blamed the Catholic church for any percieved negative life-style on the part of the jewish people, that their forced pogroms and limitations forced them to survive by whatever means available to them. Jews were in most places unable to own property, farm and the like and so were put into positions of having to care for their families in other ways. Paul Johnson's "The History of the Jews" goes into some detail on the jewish people and the limitations on them imposed by the Catholic church and legal authorities.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    gubberningbody

    From: http://www.ntrmin.org/Luther%20and%20the%20Jews%20(Web).htm#a5

    IX. 1543: Luther’s Treatise “On The Jews And Their Lies”

    In 1543 Luther broke his silence with the treatise, “On the Jews and Their Lies.” Roland Bainton, the famous biographer of Luther, once said: “ One could wish that Luther had died before ever this tract was written .” [108] The treatise was a response to a letter from Count Schlick of Moravia. The Count had sent Luther a Jewish apologetic pamphlet, containing a Jewish attack against Jesus, the Virgin Mary, and Christian exegesis of the Old Testament. The Count wanted Luther to refute it. Unfortunately, this letter and attack have been lost, so we are unaware of the exact tone of argument Luther was responding to. Often, Luther’s tone and method of argumentation was strongly influenced by that taken in the work he was responding to. James Mackinnon thinks that the original pamphlet was a direct response to Luther’s Against the Sabbatarians : “ It naturally provoked a reply in which a Jew, in the form of a dialogue with a Christian, controverted his exegesis …” [109] Whatever was in that Jewish writing, Luther erupted in vicious polemic, attacking not only through theology, but also in antagonistic ad hominem as well. Luther moved from his earlier writings of attacking Jewish theology to attacking Jewish people. [110] Still, Luther was not against the Jews for being “Jews”- he had no objections to integrating converted Jews into Christian society: “Now, in order to strengthen our faith, we want to deal with a few crass follies of the Jews in their belief arid their exegesis of the Scriptures, since they so maliciously revile our faith. If this should move any Jew to reform and repent, so much the better.” [111]

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