Smoking tobacco- ex-JW's have a warped view, so what should we do?

by OnTheWayOut 37 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I used to smoke cigarettes. I quit as I was learning the lies of the Watchtower organization.
    I used to smoke between 1 and 3 packs a day depending on whether I went drinking or not.

    I didn't really quit for the religion, but as I was learning it.
    I swore to quit when cigarettes got to cost me more than a buck a pack.
    I was in the military, so they were cheaper for me, but round about 1985 they broke a buck a pack. I quit.

    My mother quit for the JW campaign to rid the cult of cigarettes, but when disfellowshipped she did smoke again.

    I know it's all lies, I know there's no Bible command to refrain from tobacco. The principles applied by WTS would apply to junk food and fried food and too much of anything deemed bad for you in food. So I know it's not legit to insist on people smoking quit to please God.
    Still, as a JW, I learned that smokers would be killed right after the murderers and thieves as Armageddon came about.

    Here's the thing: Smoking is bad for you and those around you, subject to various opinions on HOW BAD, but it is bad.
    JW's love to think how Jehovah has banned such a bad thing and saved millions from the evil of cigarettes.
    I am thrilled to be smoke free since 1985, no falling off that wagon. But how far can we go in hopes of others quitting?

    We cannot say God insists on it. Can we ban it? Can government ban it? Is it right to ban it in OUTDOOR public places?
    Is it okay to tax it by a gizzillion percent? What will the government tax next like they got away with for cigarettes when the smokers die off?

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    I think that tobacco is too entrenched in society to be totally banned. Many governments already ban smoking in public places and they heavily tax tobacco. I don't think this will change, tobacco brings "needed" money into the government coffers. Right or wrong the government has to tax something to keep it going. They tax gas, property, wages, etc.

    Some are talking about marijuana becoming legal and bringing tax revenue in from it. But I think that alcohol will be the next big "demon" that the governments will tax more and more.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    What will the government tax next like they got away with for cigarettes when the smokers die off?

    Pot, when they legalize it.

    purps

  • bluecanary
    bluecanary

    Just wanted to post a funny saying: Having a non-smoking section in a restaurant is like having a non-peeing section in a swimming pool.

    I am strongly libertarian, leaning toward anarchism (the self-government kind, not the chaos kind). As far as I'm concerned, government has no business interfering in people's freedom of choice. If a person or business doesn't want smoking on their property, they have every right to make and enforce that rule. If they want smoking to be allowed, they should have that right, too.

    Fighting taxes on one area like cigarettes is like fighting the head of a hydra. You can chop it off but three more will take its place. As long as government interferes more and more in our lives and creates more and more useless programs and spends more and more money, they're going to take more taxes. We don't pay taxes. They take taxes.

    I've never smoked but I'm damn glad I have the right to.

  • Marlene
    Marlene

    Excellent post OTWO- I often wondered why the organization allowed smoking, then deemed it a DF-able act. Since Russell was the perceived portal to God, shouldn't this deplorable sin have been communicated to the flock ASAP?

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Maybe the WTS should consider reversing this slowly by allowing "fractions."

    How could that be done?

  • alanv
    alanv

    The point is with cigs. that not only do they harm the smoker but they are disgusting for non smokers.

    Although it is stupid that the Tower disfellowships people who smoke, it certainly is an anti christian habit. You are certainly not putting other peoples interests first as a true christian would.

  • freeman
    freeman

    OTWO, You raise many good points and things to ponder. Just to add to the confusion, here are some blaring contradictions to the all tobacco is evil mindset.

    Smokers have reduced risks of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease

    Smoking: Protection Against Neural Tube Defects

    Urinary Cotinine Concentration Confirms the Reduced Risk of Preeclampsia with Tobacco Exposure

    Severe Gum Recession, Less Of A Risk For Smokers

    Twin Study Supports Protective Effect of Smoking For Parkinson's Disease

    And my all-time favorite:

    Smoking lessens the likelihood of dying from diseases associated with old-age!

    That said I would say to anyone thinking about smoking, don’t ever start. And if you already do smoke, quit. As for me, I was a 3 pack a day guy. I was hooked. Now I only smoke premium cigars because I enjoy them, not because I have to.

    Freeman

  • reniaa
    reniaa

    I agree completely with the Jw's on this one.

    Would you agree if you have an illness as a direct result of your self-inflicted smoking habit, health services could refuse you or make sure non-smokers are given preference?

    When smoking related illnesses in people are causing millions of pounds of health costs and hours of man-power should we be so accepting?

    Reniaa

  • Freedom Fighter
    Freedom Fighter

    I've never smoked during my life but this is purely and simply a health choice. To make it a religious choice is just nonsense.

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