by cameo-d 36 Replies latest watchtower bible
The Sept. 15 WT says that
"Adam and Eve...were free to grow as servants of jehovah"....
So what is this? They get to live in the Big House and roll belly up to warm Jah's feet? What exactly did Adam and Eve loose out on?
...living in a "walled estate" (paradise etymology: "walled garden")
....seclusion from the rest of the world
....forbidden to have Knowledge (do not eat from that tree)
Did Adam really loose happiness and freedom?
What DID Adam lose?
He lost paradise.
personal, face to face, intimate fellowship with God. Sin separates God from man.
personal, face to face, intimate fellowship with God.
That's it. That is what paradise truly is.
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Issaccaustin: "personal, face to face, intimate fellowship with God. "
I don't think so, Isaac. God still came around to pick up his animal sacrifices. And if he didn't get what he wanted...like say he got steamed vegetables instead of the family pet....he might get irate and cause dissention in families. Especially if he were to favor one brother over the other.
No, I disagree with you. God was still personally involved with man because he required blood sacrifices, and special feasts, and observances of days he said so. He told man what he wanted done on all his favorite occassions...whether he wanted bread cakes, or a parade, or a food festival, or more blood sacrifices.
He beat them over the head with guilt for any mistake they made and required some kind of atonement. If they had done nothing wrong, then he reminded them of Adam and made THAT their fault, too.
God still came around.
Man has never been free from God.
Or his harassment or threats of death and maiming.
How much more "personal, intimate fellowship" could you want with this guy?
cameo...those events you are naming were after their sin...so of course they had no face to face fellowship with God at that point. That's my view anyway. Some may see it differently which is ok.
Cameo-d
This is the first thing the WT gets wrong.
I believe they lost their innocence
isaac and Burn
I believe we gained much more in Christ than we ever lost in Adam.
I thought he just lost a rib but actually he didn't live long enough to watch the playboy channell.
Cameo-d
God still came around.
Man has never been free from God.
Or his harassment or threats of death and maiming.
Your right and wrong. Some men are free from God's harassment or threats of death and maiming, throught Christ. That's why He came.
Isaacaustin: "cameo...those events you are naming were after their sin...so of course they had no face to face fellowship with God at that point. "
So I have this image in my head, Isaac.
Say your grandfather tipped the boat and I fell overboard, losing my winning lottery ticket that I had just showed him.
He knew I had big plans and he ruined it for me. I have never forgiven it. And there is nothing you can do to make it up to me...but still, by damn...you owe me!
I have beat your grandfather over the head with guilt and it continues down onto you, too.
I really despise your family because of this. You can never make it up to me, but I will take from you what is available to me.
You are not worth speaking to, but I expect to pick up my fish fry dinner (your weekly atonement sacrifice) every Friday.
I really have nothing to say to you. I don't want to see you as I really have no use for you. Your face reminds me of your grandfather and it just pours salt in the old wound.
You can just leave my dinner wrapped in foil on the picnic table at 6 pm sharp and I will pick it up.
When will you get some backbone and say enough is enough?
