There are some people who simply cannot bear the thought that a black man is our President.
And if they cannot prevail, would rather take this country down than endure under his administration. Those people are dangerous.
Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
by What-A-Coincidence 165 Replies latest social current
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snowbird
Rule it or ruin it seems to be their motto.
This is going to be a bumpy ride!
Hold on!
Sylvia
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dinah
Everyone should have expected the neocons to froth at the mouth.
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Farkel
Person A: The Constitution requires the President to be a natural-born citizen. I want proof that our President and any President is just that.
Person B: Racist!!!!! You're nothing but a God-damned RACIST!
Person A: I merely suggested that....
Person B: Shut up, you bigoted racist, right-winged, conspiracy-baiting, gun-toting, wacko Nazi bastard!!! SHUT UP, or WE'LL SHUT YOU UP!!
Farkel, exiting stage left and back into a more sane environment or at least a more sane thread
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BizzyBee
Shut up, you bigoted racist, right-winged, conspiracy-baiting, gun-toting, wacko Nazi bastard!!!
You left out 'tin-foil-hat-wearing asshole!'
But seriously, not all the 'birthers' are racists and not all racists are 'birthers.' But there does seem to be a lot of overlap on the ol' Venn diagram.
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dinah
Racism is just more covert than it used to be. I'd bet alot of people don't even know they have a case of it.
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badboy
THE FIRST PRESIDENTS WERE TECHNICALLY NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THE US DIDN'TEXIST
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Justitia Themis
Farkel is incorrect. "Natural-born" means a citizen at birth. The US Code defines who is a citizen at birth as follows:
ยง 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person President Obama meets the qualification regardless because of (a) and (g).
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Leolaia
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001. "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said. Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said. Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
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Mastodon
Person A: The Constitution requires the President to be a natural-born citizen. I want proof that our President and any President is just that.
Person B: Racist!!!!! You're nothing but a God-damned RACIST!
Person A: I merely suggested that....
Person B: Shut up, you bigoted racist, right-winged, conspiracy-baiting, gun-toting, wacko Nazi bastard!!! SHUT UP, or WE'LL SHUT YOU UP!!
Farkel, exiting stage left and back into a more sane environment or at least a more sane thread
I'm sure you wouldn't be asking the same if McCain had won.