WT Society Makes JW's Feel Bad about Themselves - No Self Worth

by flipper 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    @ SD;

    But it's all part of the plan--humans are helpless --> we therefore need God's Kingdom --> hey! It's already been here since 1914 --> The GB is the only one who figured that out --> so put all hope in whatever they say and forget any thoughts, feelings, or talents you might've had otherwise. It's a simple machine, and it works pretty ham well, if you ask me. We paste smiles on our faces, but every one of us is worn out and beaten down--we just don't realize who's holding the stick. All we can see is the carrot.

    Great paragraph. Loving the "hey!" moment, just about sums it all up.

  • boyzone
    boyzone

    Anyone remember the way Ray Franz describes this in ISOCF?

    On page 606 he says this;

    "It is a sad fact that those most affected by the persistant pressure to do more and more in organizationally directed activities are those persons among Jehovahs Witnesses who are the most sensitive and conscientious. For many of these, the argumentation - that subtly implies guilt if one does not follow the organization's "suggestions" and "recomendations" in striving for "increased service" - creates a constant concern that they are not doing enough, not measuring up."

    I firmly believe that chapter describes many of us who ended up on anti-depressants, fat, heavy secret drinkers, or suicidal all because of the terrible low self esteem we had of trying to be good little conscientious witnesses and trying to live with the guilt that we weren't doing enough - me included.

    Ray goes on to relate the story of Clarisse Greutmann who, of a sensitive nature, conscientiously pioneered to the point of exhaustion. Encouraged to continue pioneering by a CO, she suffered a breakdown and while severely depressed, jumped from a 4 storey building. She survived but had to lose her lower right leg. Her physical injuries got better but her emotional ones didnt. The book goes on to say;

    "She felt she ahd failed as a pioneer and thus had failed God and that her purpose in life was finished. She could not find forgiveness for herself for the things she had done."

    Her husband then relates;

    "Naturally she later heard that "nobody had forced her to go beyond her capacity in pioneering" Neither the person that made these comments nor Clarisse knew of the power of constantly repeated "recommendations" and "council" in a tiring program. But you know it and God knows it."

    The story ends sadly. In October 1975 Clarisse's body was found floating in the waters below the Golden Gate Bridge from where she had jumped. She was 34 years old. The sense of religious failure which led to her depression had never lifted.

    Under the then current rules of the Society, she wasn't even permitted a Witness funeral because she was a suicide. 2 years after her death, they changed the rules.

    This story helped me alot in understanding why I felt so terribly guilty for failing when my sons left the "truth". This feeling of utter failure is so overwhelming that its hard to put into words. My sense of guilt was so bad that I attempted suicide by swallowing as many paracetamol as I could find. It took an emergency hospital visit and an antedote to stop my kidneys failing.

    The elders answer to all this was to pray and keep busy. NOT helpful! The feeling of failure and depression persisted for months and I would often contemplate suicide.

    It wasn't until I read that chapter in Ray's book did I realise why I felt that way and where these feelings of guilt were coming from. It was only then could I identify the source of the pressure, and that was the Society. These 9 men have SO much to answer for.

  • brinjen
    brinjen

    Yep, never felt good enough as a dub. For me, it's only in the last couple of years that I've learnt to accept and even (gasp) like myself.... thanks to boards such as this one and my wonderful group of fellow werewolfers.

    They hit you with a double whammy too... make you feel bad about yourself, overload you with burdens and responsibilities then tell you Jehovah TM never loads you with more than you can bear when you're feeling like it's just all too much. You've not only got the guilt of being human to deal with but the guilt of not coping when "everyone else is sooo happy".

    It's like the carer who convinces you you're unwell by slipping just enough poison in your food to make you sick then promises the 'magic pill' to make you feel better... later on... just keep going...

  • Mary
    Mary
    when in discussion with my older JW daughter . She mentioned to me , " You know dad, NONE of us deserve to live ! We ALL deserve to die ! We are all so sinful ! It's only a free gift that Jehovah gives us life in the paradise ! Only by Jesus dying a ransom sacrifice for our sins do we have a chance to be brought back in God's favor ! "

    This is the exact same mentality as a battered mate. I use the word "mate" because I've seen husbands that are mentally and emotionally abused just as much as a woman is. When someone is constantly told how worthless they are along with the 'suggestion' that if they try just a little harder, they'll get some much needed approval, then naturally that person is going to have self-loathing, will never think they're good enough and will move heaven and earth to try and win their mates' approval.

    And so it is as a Witness. To be fair, there are certainly other high control cults that are just as bad, if not worse, than the Borg. And they all have the same message: You're useless, you're worthless, you don't deserve to live, but you're in luck today! Do as I tell you and you might---just might, gain God's approval. One of the best ways that any cult keeps control of their members is by 'placing heavy loads' upon them. They are forced into rigorous, repetative chores, both mental and physical and are kept so busy, they don't have time to stop and think.

    As Lady Lee pointed out, it's virtually impossible to control someone who has self-confidence, is well accomplished, happy and intelligent. It's far easier to control someone who has no self worth about themselves. That way, the person in charge can continue to: a) continuously point out their failings and b) continue to be their savior by telling them what to do, what to think, where to work and how to tie your shoelaces together.

    Yep.....no wonder so many of us (and I include myself here) have no sense of self-worth.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Flipper, this is so ture. That is one reaosn while when laying gorundrules for the kids (She being the dub) I insisted on allowing birthdays while relenting on the other holidays. We can always make our own holiday. But it is important not to take away the child's special day with their own peers to be special and build their own self-worth. It happened to me growing up, and I never had any friends. I was picked in for being different and grew up with no self-image. It took me many years to build (not rebuild- I never had) my self-image.

    The WT is a destructive mind-control cult focused only on its own power. It not only tears apart families but destroys its own members.

  • lifelong humanist
    lifelong humanist

    flipper,

    I agree with leavingwt - all extreme religions, or cults, if you want to define them as such, do this - it is a necessary evil.

    JWs go one step further, in maintaining that a person has no self-worth whatsoever for as long as they remain confined within their own narrow version of Christianity. In fact, the more you 'do' for them - sharing zealously in their preaching activities, giving talks, assisting as an elder or MS, helping others, the more worthless you feel! In comparison, that rat in the cage turning his wheel has an easy life...

    I've never personally met or spoken with anyone 'at the top' of the organizational hierarchy, but I suspect that these men (women need not apply) feel entirely different - possible feeling superior to others not in the limelight.

    Personally, I feel much better about myself and others around me as a result of abandoning 50 years of captivity within the JW world!

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I know that many JW's have the "I'm not worthy" attitude. At the same time, it's like a split personality of "But those worldly people are REALLY not worthy."

    I don't buy into the "We are not perfect" mentality anymore. Sure, we actually are not perfect. But the sinless animal life is not perfect either. They cannot explain away wildlife with "They changed due to man." There is occasional perfection and near perfection in the universe. A star is nearly perfect in it's efficient continuation for millions of years without adding outside fuel. To a lesser degree, an ant colony is nearly perfect in coordination without written instructions.

    But humans, for the most part should stop being down on themselves. I've learned that all my bad choices in life have been the best choices available to me at the time with limited information available. It's not the "imperfect sinner" that causes our path, it's just life.

    Another contribution to JW's feeling bad about themselves- a typical human has some family pride if not in himself. "My father/brother/sister is a doctor or an athlete or a rock star..." JW's don't have that in a generational JW family- they are all JW's, virtually nobody is a doctor or rock star. Even if the family is not all JW, the JW is taught to look down on the family that is not JW, so the doctor is not a source of pride. All they got left is pioneers and elders and Bethelites and such. While they do hold these ones up, deep down there is not as much pride in a toilet cleaner in Patterson, NY or someone who avoids a real job by spending 3 to 4 hours a day spinning their wheels in the neighborhood.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    This beating up on oneself in the name of God started with Paul--Miserable man I am, for the good I wish to do I do not, yet the bad I do not wish is what I practice.

    However, when a religion harps on it continually, that makes the problem much worse. This imperfect state itself is a complete scam, intended to belittle humans so God and/or the religions can control them. Without this "imperfect state", we have no need for salvation. No need for salvation means no artificial high value in some supposedly heroic act. And that takes away the right to make rules that stagnate mankind from God.

    The more this facet is highlighted, the more control the religion is seeking to exert. Many religions put the focus on Jesus' ransom, with only a little on our sinfulness. Those religions do relatively little damage, and waste little time from those in them. However, the witlesses put undue emphasis on this state of imperfection, like it is the crux of the whole religion. This puts them in a fake position to demand people's whole lives and more field circus than they can produce sustainably. It also ruins many people's lives--but they don't give a f***.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Isaacaustin said: It happened to me growing up, and I never had any friends. I was picked in for being different and grew up with no self-image. It took me many years to build (not rebuild- I never had) my self-image.

    Aw, I will be your friend.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Some religions, JW's included, sell by creating a need or lack, just like a business; in this case, the lack is self worth. "You are flawed in God's eyes, a sinner; we have the answer."

    In the words of Roger Daltrey: "I don't need to be forgiven." (LOUDLY)

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