What is EVIL? Who Defines? (page 2)

607BCisAbigLIE

In my opinion, sin is what you do that goes against common sense. It as nothing to do with Bible teaching. Evil is not the one who commits sins in your place. And think of this one, what was a sin at one time in the Bible wasn't a sin anymore after a while (i.e. eating pork meat). The concept of evil is one that is very hard to define. Some will even say that it doesn't exist. they often say that it is a creation of the collective mind to expell all of our sins on his back, in place of taking our responsibility and assume it for ourself. Frankly, if Evil exist, I don't think he is responsible for our wrongdoing. Maybe he is the starter of it all, but every one as the choice to do sin or not. I think evil is more a condition of heartless people that a spiritual being. However, whether it exist or not, it is up to everyone to make his own conception of what sin is.

oscartheduck

I prefer the Kierkegaardian &quot;truth is subjectivity&quot; reasoning , which leads us to the conclusion in this case that evil is whatever you personally come to the conclusion is evil.

To state that something is objectively evil is to state that you can prove, in all cases, why something is evil and offer a formula that shows this to be true. The reason that there is so much at issue with moral arguments is that it is not possible to provide such an argument in a moral situation, thus we are left with only belief.

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Watchtower reprints 1902 p3043 "it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other"
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The Golden Age, Jan. 16, 1924, p. 250 "It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs. "
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The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126 "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible "

D wiltshire

607(587),
What?

In my opinion, sin is what you do that goes against common sense.

Too vauge!

If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

D wiltshire

oscartheduck,

I prefer the Kierkegaardian &quot;truth is subjectivity&quot; reasoning , which leads us to the conclusion in this case that evil is whatever you personally come to the conclusion is evil.

So are you saying that this is true?
If an evil person murders his mother he did not commit a Evil deed because he personally thought his mother deserved it.
Yes

To state that something is objectively evil is to state that you can prove, in all cases, why something is evil and offer a formula that shows this to be true. The reason that there is so much at issue with moral arguments is that it is not possible to provide such an argument in a moral situation, thus we are left with only belief.

Very interesting.

If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

607BCisAbigLIE

D Wiltshire

ok let me be more precise, although no one can really come with a definite definition on this issue. Sin is what you do that will harm somebody. Sin is what you when you commit crime. Sin is what you do when you are mollesting a child. i can go on forever, but i'm sure you'll get the point here. Sin IS NOT what you do when you don't believe in Jesus, God, or everything. You don't have to believe in those things. One could put Bible verses in my face to prove this or that, what if I don't believe it just because i'm using my freewill on that subject?

Pureheart

God made man and woman. The man and woman are in the world all alone. They are monogamous. They love one another. They will not do anything against each other. They work together to promote good. They have children and teach them the same principles. What is good? The things that promote good health physically, spiritually, and mentally. Evil would of course be the opposite of good; things that promote degradation of physical health, spirituality and mentality. The Bible promotes that the good condition will prevail.

Pureheart

D wiltshire

607(587),

I didn't ask what sin was did I?

If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

Introspection

Who defines what is truly Evil?

Santa Claus and his band of merry men..?

Seriously though, I think most people will agree that practically speaking, you can only consider what is evil in relative terms. Given this idea of sinning against the holy spirit, we might also gather that is the only absolute evil, as all else can be forgiven. If we go with that, then you have to know which sins are sins against the holy spirit, so how can we really say which case is truly evil? Even if you think God talks to you, I'd think some things are on a need to know basis. So, unless there is a need for a human being to know every act of sin against the holy spirit and everyone who has sinned in this way that cannot be forgiven, then there's just no way to know.

I think looking at things from the perspective of how self centered a person is would be better. From the view of witness theology, I guess it would be this idea that Satan wanted others to worship him because he was pretty. (of course, another way of looking at that is worshipping the self) When you think like that, the best you can do in terms of how you treat other people is what YOU think is best for them, or how they should be treated etc. Looking at it this way, a person like this would be ignorant at best and possibly dangerous. It's sort of like the person doesn't do much in the way of actually relating with others, but will instead make certain judgements when they pick up on some little piece of information which they consider to be grounds for absolute judgement, whether they realize it or not.

607BCisAbigLIE

BTW don't conclude I don't believe in God or Jesus. It's only a matter of faith. Sin cannot be involved here cause everyone could have his own conception.

unclebruce

G'day RickA,

Let me see if I read you right. You're preaching that if I tell the Holy Spirit to go take a running leap into the lake of fire it's curtains for my soul but if i slice and dice my neighbours kids with a carving knife and do unspeakable things to thier bodily remains your bible god will grant me eternal life .. mmm that'd be right .. What is this theory of yours, a typical perversion of what the ancient texts were on about or a view sympathetic with old testament Yawheh, God of butchery and mayhem.

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My simple definitions: (hey this is xmas)

Evil = hurting others with no regrets. A genuine beast we carry in the depths of our being.

Sin = minor and major infractions of sociatal rules and taboos. (can a man sin alone on a desert island?)

unclebruce

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