Do the elders really care if you fake your service time?

by JimmyPage 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  Elsewhere

  You can fake everything related to being a JW. All they care is that you look good in public and on paper.

  The question is whether or not you are willing to put the time and energy into all of the faking.
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  moshe

  It looks like the fakers are in the majority nowadays. I haven't seen a real live JW at my door since about 1997 and I have moved 5 times during that time Oh, - and one tract was left a few years ago, but they never did the required follow up for the not-at-home. Down here in Florida I see them congregate in 3's and 4's first thing in the morning with drinks outside a 7-11, talking and holding up magazines. When it gets hot they leave for some A/C'd location as yet undertermined. I tried talking to them, but since I don't speak Spanish they acted dumb- and then just before I left, a sister who spoke perfect English made a comment, but didn't want to get involved with a smarty like me, I guess. Elders just want to keep the CO happy, that is their main function when it comes to field service. Accuracy is not important.
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  chickpea

  i have to admit, it wasnt until
  i started hanging out on XJW
  boards that i ever HEARD of
  faking time reports...!
  what a rube, eh?

  BUT, i remember being p!ssed at
  te study conductor for the BS that
  met in our home, who told me he
  got his pioneer hours by waking up
  his 4 year old at 7 in the morning
  and reading him a bible story to
  start his time..... service meeting
  wasnt til 9, so he had 2 hrs before
  he even walked out his door!

  seems to me, sooner or later
  it turns out to just be a numbers game
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  OnTheWayOut

  I think many would show respect for others and not question their honesty.

  While I would not say that elders encouraged deliberate faking of time, they did encourage turning in something rather than nothing.
  "Do you have at least one hour of informal witnessing that you can count for the entire month?" That was a cue to say "YES, I can tell you that I had one hour so that you don't have to mark me as irregular and get chewed out by the C.O."

  We never questioned pioneers that got their time mysteriously. Well, one exception I remember: Sister Invisible always got her 70 hours on the nose, every single month. She never worked with the groups and nobody ever saw her in service. She did not have territory checked out. I and another approached her and asked about her perfect service and how we would like to see her with the groups. She said she did a bunch of early morning streetwork and letter-writing. The next month, she turned in 55 hours then turned in 75, 80 hours the next two months. Thereafter, she would turn in 68 then 72 hours, always balancing out to 70 hours a month, but still invisible. We just let her be.
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  zombie dub

  i was told by an elder to fudge mine so his group stats looked better!
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  Frequent_Fader_Miles

  I faked field service hours for a long time. I was simply fed up of running on the hamster wheel, and decided to spend my time doing other things.
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  treadnh2o

  I faked all my time in order to become appointed, as my wife was a reg. pioneer. She would often call me out.

  But as long as I was on the road to a position, she didn't care.
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  Outaservice

  Now remember Pioneers, anything over 40 hours can and should be counted 'time and a half'! Thats what most did in the congregation I attended!

  Outaservice
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  OUTLAW

  It was encouraged..

  ........................OUTLAW
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  willyloman

  Amazing's memory is good; that's a pretty fair account of how it went. On the Way Out's comment is right on, too: we didn't care how much time you got but whether you got any... so we could be perceived as doin' our jobs as elders. The CO would focus on "inactive ones" when the numbers were reviewed, and woe if the number of inactives had gone up since the last visit.

  The truth is, many dubs did not keep track of their "time," simply because they were honest about it and uneasy about creating or manufacturing hours. Others, though, were happy doing that, and this included nearly every pioneer I ever met. It was pioneers, after all, who created the infamous "pioneer pace" and mastered the art of turning a small amount of householder face time into a "long day" in service.