"Forgive Us Our Trespasses/Debts"...

by AGuest 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    To the Household of God, Israel, and all that go with... may you have peace!

    A bit ago a dear one and I were discussing the particulars of lending, with and without interest. The conversation included thoughts regarding the WTBTS' anti-christian practice of charging interest on loans to congregations for kingdom hall building. He was of the correct belief that a Christian should not lend to a brother with interest. This is true, whether one looks to the Old Covenant, which the WTBTS still does, unfortunately (Leviticus 25:35-37) as well as under the New Covenant, which they should be following but don't (Matthew 6:12). He was incorrect, however, in his belief that it was and is okay to lend to a stranger/enemy with interest. That is an error, dear ones, for a true christian never lends with interest to anyone, brother or enemy. Indeed, they do not even hope for the principal to be returned because they place much more value in the "happiness" they experience in giving than that in receiving something in return (Luke 6:35).

    Some might argue that under the Old Law lending with interest to strangers was acceptable (Dueteronomy 23:19, 20); however, as Paul is quoted to say, "while all things are lawful, not all things are advantageous." The truth is that such lending actually caused Israel great distress as it ultimately created a culture of such greed that the nation became corrupt, violating the law by letting usury spill over and be charged to brothers. And so Nehemiah called for an end to the practice (Nehemiah 5:1-7, 10; Ezekiel 22:12).

    So, why does the WTBTS lend funds to congregations with interest? Because (1) they belie the (new) covenant to which they claim to be a party; they do this because they don't know/understand the terms of that New Covenant, the greatest of which is love; (2) they don't know the term love, because they lack two of its elements, mercy and forgiveness; (3) they don't understand what it means to "forgive," as don't most of earthling man.

    To "forgive," dear ones, means to let go of a debt BEFORE it is even owed: FORGIVE. It means to giveBEFORE. Let me give you an example, the one given me by our Lord, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. He gave me the example of the Father giving HIM... as a sacrifice for OURS sins... even before we came into the world. He FORE gave us life... by means of His Son... even BEFORE we committed whatever acts or transgressions that would have called for our lives to be paid.

    It is the same with us: if someone sins against us, if someone owes us a debt, if we have grounds to have something "against" someone... we, as TRUE christians, having received the undeserved kindness and mercy of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, would have already LET THE DEBT GO... even before it was ever incurred! We would not hold something against another because we would have FORE GAVE of our love and mercy before such one ever became indebted to us or transgressed against us!

    And why would we want to do this? Because we are commanded to (1) "All things you want men to do to you, you must also do to them," and (2) "love [our] neighbors... and our enemies... as [we love ourselves]." This means, if WE want the undeserved kindness and mercy of God to be upon us and our loved ones, before we even err... then we must also pass on such mercy and forgiveness to other. BEFORE they sin against us, not when and after.

    What does this mean? It means, dear ones... let it go. Whatever it is that keeps you in anger - let it go. Whatever it is that keeps you in anxiety - let it go. Whatever it is that keeps you in hate - let it go. Does someone owe you interest? Forgive the interest. Indeed, forgive the entire debt, if you can? Has someone "transgressed" against you? Forgive them. Indeed, let your love "cover" their transgressions, even if they are a multitude. For love covers a multitude of transgressions, doesn't it? Indeed, be ready, always, to forgive. For your own sake, your own peace of mind, your own health, your own life.

    I, SA, share this with you, just as I have received it from my Lord, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. I do not share it because he requires it of you or me. Indeed, neither God nor Christ require anything from any one of us. These things he shares with me for MY benefit, and I with you for yours.

    May the undeserved kindness and mercy of the Most Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH of Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and Christ, our Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, be upon you... and your entire household... if you so wish it.

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Hey, SA, how are you?

  • twinkle toes
  • parakeet
    parakeet

    To "forgive," dear ones, means to let go of a debt BEFORE it is even owed: FORGIVE.

    AGuest, I really hate to ask this, but can you lend me $10,000? I need it for an operation for my sick mother.

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    AGuest?

    Shelby?

    Dear one??

    Anyone home???

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :That is an error, dear ones, for a true christian never lends with interest to anyone, brother or enemy. Indeed, they do not even hope for the principal to be returned because they place much more value in the "happiness" they experience in giving than that in receiving something in return (Luke 6:35).

    This is Shelby. She lives what she speaks.

    How are you, my dear friend?

    Farkel

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    AGuest, this is a lovely sentiment. Thank you.

    You said:

    A bit ago a dear one and I were discussing the particulars of lending, with and without interest. The conversation included thoughts regarding the WTBTS' anti-christian practice of charging interest on loans to congregations for kingdom hall building. He was of the correct belief that a Christian should not lend to a brother with interest.

    You are so right. What makes it all the more stunning is that

    • The congregation members donate the money in the first place,
    • then pay interest when the money is loaned back to them, and more astoundingly,
    • never own anything even when it is paid in full... the recipient of the donated funds and all the interest owns the property still.

    Seriously... it boggles the mind.

    You also said:

    they do this because they don't know/understand the terms of that New Covenant, the greatest of which is love; (2) they don't know the term love, because they lack two of its elements, mercy and forgiveness; (3) they don't understand what it means to "forgive," as don't most of earthling man.

    To "forgive," dear ones, means to let go of a debt BEFORE it is even owed: FORGIVE. It means to giveBEFORE.

    Lovely and very thought-provoking, indeed! Brings a deeper meaning to the concept to "pay it forward".

    Thank you for this, Dear AGuest.

    Love,
    Baba.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey AGuest/Shelby..

    Your first Thread since you`ve come Home..

    Thought provoking..Inspiring..

    I totally enjoyed it..

    Welcome home My Friend!!..

    ..................................OUTLAW

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    To "forgive," dear ones, means to let go of a debt BEFORE it is even owed: FORGIVE. It means to giveBEFORE.

    I never thought of it like that before! Thank you

    Letting go of things that have hurt me is a principle I try to live by - otherwise you only end up hurting yourself more deeply. But to FORgive, must mean that you choose not to allow people or situations to cause you hurt in the first place - maybe I should pay more attention to putting on the full armour of God to deflect the ill will of others?

    Great to 'see' you back again Shelby. Blessings, love and peace to you and all your dear ones.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    I remember the Witchtower which told us proudly how sisters in the Solomon Islands had dug the foundations for their Kingdumb Hell with THEIR BARE HANDS.

    If the Society knew they could not afford shovels, why didnt they gift them a few?

    But NO - the congo obviously could not afford to pay them back the cost of said shovels, so womens hands had to make do...

    And I thought that donations to charity were handed out, without having to be paid back by those benefiting.

    HB

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