by sleepy 15 Replies latest jw friends
I don't think there is a 'silver bullet' etc. There are problems that can be created. So there is always things that can be done. France is an example of how charitable status/tax position was attacked. In Japan there is the mother of all declines! What is going on there, I am not so sure. I think it may have been a leaflet campaign. I am not sure the net. played a part.
ISP
The point I am making is not whether humans can be logical , but whether this alone can motivate people to change strongly held belief systems.
I can agree with that, Sleepy, but only up to a point.
I'd also like to amend something I said earlier. I said, "As it applies to JWs, when it comes to them remaining loyal to the organization, neither logic nor emotion is ever the deciding factor." I was probably wrong saying that.
Many, many people remain JWs exactly because of emotion. Some, like my mother, are very emotional in her support of the WTS and often their defense of it is totally absent of a single shred of logic/reason. On the other hand, those who HAVE employed logic to come to an understanding of all the lies/misinformation behind the Wt Corp. still are victims (willingly or otherwise) of emotion. They realize that to leave would mean a severing of ties with loved ones, so emotion is part of the equation with them.
I think this amended statement agrees with yours above. I will say this: over time, logic will affect one's emotions. Logic will eventually lead one to be less and less emotional about a matter, particularly if one's emotional attachment to a thing is seen to be not in one's best interests.
Tell me... what is the "magic bullet" to which you refer? I should have asked for clarification at the outset.
Peace,
tj
: Is there a “magic” explanation or piece of logic that can convince any witness with a functioning mind the error of their beliefs?
Yes, there are many. That's not the problem. The problem is that there are so few JWs with a "functioning mind." THAT is the problem. As long as the WTS can turn normal people into braindead drones, they will survive. And they know it.
Farkel
"I didn't mean what I meant."
francois:
Now, if there was a huge assembly of JWs in Yankee Stadium, like there was in 1954 (was it?), and the final act in the assembly was a mass suicide via cyanide-laced Kool-Aid THEN you'd get the attention of the media. But not for long.
As we've seen, crashing a couple of jetliners into large buildings is enough to get the media off the scent of whatever it is that's on their minds and focus it somewhere else.
Could you friendly explain how to make an intellectual brain-looping between JWs in Yankee Stadium 1954 and "suicide via cyanid-laced Kool-aid" (supposedly you meant AUM-sect in Japan) and Osama bin Laden's terrorist org ??
It seems you have got a very skewed, dangerous and perverse fancy...
Erich,
: It seems you have got a very skewed, dangerous and perverse fancy...
Coming from a dub like you whose religion teaches God is going to slaughter 99.9% of the world's population "real soon now" because they don't buy their religious magazines, I have to say:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Farkel
"I didn't mean what I meant."
Will some one come up with such an undstandingly reasonable aurgument against Jehovahs witnesses being right ,that all but the insane will have to recant?
Not likely. Witnesses use Orwellian tactics to avoid thinking about such things.
Magic bullets are as individual, as subjective, as world views.
COMF
