Just Re-read My First Post

by cantleave 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Four months have past since I made my first post here. It generated 9 pages of discussion- thanks to Renaai. I was called trevor by Ninja at one point.........hopefully it is apparent that I am not. I am reposting with comments because I want to show others embarking on leaving how quickly progress can be made. Lets see how things have changed, the original post is hightlighted.

    Hi guys and gals,

    I think I can say friends now

    I am a hypocryte. Brought up in the "truth" but know its not. But I can't leave the congregation.

    I had only very recently come to that realisation. I will give my full story one day.

    If I leave I will lose all association with my family and friends. Even if I drift away I would gradually become an outcast, I couldn't cope with that. So maybe I am weak or just too frightened of what happens if I do leave.

    I really was frightened. Everything I ever knew was tied into being a witness. I am now happy to leave it all behind, I still would prefer to fade but if I end up being DF'd I think I could cope now, even though it would mean losing my biggest client and a relationship with my mother and brother.

    I love my wife but she is completely devout as are her family. My mother and brother are very zealous too. I have lifelong friends who I would do anything for, who are part of the fabric that makes me what I am. If they knew what I really felt, they would shun me, not because they are bad but because they "believe all things" as long as it comes from the Governing Body or its representatives on Earth.

    My wife, was herself having doubts and can now see that the organisation is seriously flawed after reading CofC. Mother and Brother don't know anything about my fade, they live too far away. I know my Mother would disown and disinherit me if she even thought I was apostate. Earlier this year she told my kids that they should "love Jehovah more than mummy and daddy" I could have have shot her at that point but i managed to restrain myself!

    My kids are being brought up as witnesses and I do a family study with them. But I encourage them to check everything out in a truly Academic way. I tell them that is what the Boreans did and so should they. I have also stressed that all Humans are imperfect and noone has the right to tell you what is right or wrong unless that can prove it from the bible. I don't want my kids to smoke, take drugs or be dishonest, so I am happy to instill some the principles taught by the org. But I also want them to do the things that will make them feel satisfied with life and don't want to feel that they will be destroyed if they don't conform to the decrees of a man made organisation.

    We have stopped family worship, and my kids have only gone to a handful meetings in the last few months. Our son shares his birthday on our anniversary and we called his presents birthday presents. We won't be celebrating xmas this year but my aim is to do so in 2011. We will make a big thing of new years eve as it isn't so obvious as xmas. I still don't want my kids to smoke, take drugs or be dishonest, but I have learnt that these values are not unique to witnesses.

    I have served as service overseer, pioneered and done everything you expect a model christain to do. It was seeing how elders really treated the flock, with total contempt, that made me question everything. I was castigated for trying to encourage "weak" ones in a non-judgemental way. I was considered soft because I really did do all I could to prevent my brothers being DF'd. I have seen grown men cry and then be cast out because others couldn't detect "true repentance". I have seen a Presiding Overseer (sorry Coordinator of Elders) run a congregation in a truly despotic way and the CO turn a blind eye to it. I have no respect for many of the Elders as they do not deserve any. There are others who are genuinely delightful people who do have the best interest of the congregation members at heart, but they are not heard amonst the voices of those who want to make a name for themselves.

    I was a bit cagey in this first post, I was actually serving as an Elder and going to all the meetings, doing 14hrs + in FS. I have resigned as an Elder, reduced meeting attendance to about 3 a month and have not done any proper FS at all since this first post. My intention is to stop attending altogether after the next CO visit. I will be taking a holiday over the memorial week.

    I have made contact and resumed a friendship with my best friend after 9 years since his being disfellowshipped. I have met with one person from this board and spoken to a couple of others all new friends are welcome to contact me.

    It is essential that I remain anonymous, but I feel alone and need to speak to people who can relate to my experience, please don't judge me for being a hypocryte - welcome me into this community and I will respond with witty postings and any insights that I feel will be of interest. This had better be fun because if the org are right I only have a short period of time!!!!!!

    My comments have opened up to some extent on this board and I am indebted to everyone here who has responded positively to my posts. I no longer feel hypocrytical, but a weight has been lifted. I still have a way to go but I dont intend going back, I have the courage to complete my fade. i am so pleased my wife has seen the light.

    I still do not know how my beliefs will be replaced, I am pretty much agnostic at present. I do know that organised religion is never the answer.

    I'm sorry if this post is a little self indulgent but I really wanted to check my progress and share my findings with you all.

  • hotspur
    hotspur

    And a good job you made of it too!

    Keep up your progress..... sanity checks like yours are very worthwhile. Glad things are looking up for you.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    well done

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    I enjoyed reading this juxtaposition.

  • LockedChaos
    LockedChaos

    Wonderful things happen

    when we begin to truly

    think for ourselves

    The more we are willing to

    listen and learn from a variety

    of sources the easier all the

    unpleasantries become

    Keep us up to date on your journey

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Here was my first comment on your first thread:

    Hey, cantleave. Welcome to the forum. We understand your situation better than most anyone else in the world.

    We all have our own path to choose. I hope that you will come to realize that there are some things you can do in your future to minimize your JW life, but most importantly, you can minimize WT's influence on your kids as they grow up and, hopefully, out of the WT cult.

    Similarly, my wife is devout. She has family "in." My mother is "in." But I don't have kids. I suppose its easier on me as I was willing to lose all the so-called friends in "the truth" and faded just for my mother's sake. Still, don't be so sure that your future cannot change. You might need to make changes. We're here for you, regardless of what you do, regardless of what you ask of us or think about advice given.

    It's great that you did realize that you are not in an impossible situation. You have made some great strides.

    I apologize for the entire board if you were possibly mistrusted to start with. Many trolls start out with the impossible scenario. "I can't leave because..." Even your name suggested the impossible situation. We have answered some impossible situations with suggestions just to be told "I cannot do that because my husband/wife/PO father/whoever will never ..."

    We need to be cautious as we don't want to chase away the ones who need real help and are the genuine article. I would rather be fooled once in awhile than chase away someone like you. JW's do get into seemingly impossible situations, certainly our minds make it worse than it is.

    It's great that you gave us such a progressive update. Rock on.

    I am now happy to leave it all behind, I still would prefer to fade but if I end up being DF'd I think I could cope now, even though it would mean losing my biggest client and a relationship with my mother and brother.

    That's awesome. I have similar thoughts. I am totally faded for the sake of my mother, but before I would "go back" and play their game, I am certain I would rather be DF'ed and risk losing that relationship. Oh, I would fight the JC and threaten legal actions if they try to suggest that people shunned me, but in the end I would walk away before I gave them power.

    My wife, was herself having doubts and can now see that the organisation is seriously flawed after reading CofC.

    Today, both you and Open Minded make me jealous. I could not get my wife (or my mother) to look at anything "apostate" or hinting at flaws. I cannot get her to even admit the possibility of flaws. Great for you that you have managed some common ground.

    I still do not know how my beliefs will be replaced, I am pretty much agnostic at present. I do know that organised religion is never the answer.

    I agree about organized religion. You have the rest of your life to examine beliefs. I consider the word "spiritual" to mean a journey of examination. I am pretty much closer to atheist than agnostic now, but that doesn't stop me from looking into all things spiritual and what people believe and why they believe it. It's a great freedom to read/view whatever I want to and learn, to discuss beliefs freely with others whose beliefs differ and not feel I have to "witness" to them or stop associating with them.

    Keep up the fantastic updates, or let us know how we can help if things are not so fantastic.

  • Casper
    Casper

    Amazing progress... Congrats.

    I still do not know how my beliefs will be replaced, I am pretty much agnostic at present. I do know that organised religion is never the answer.

    I know the feeling, take your time... there's no rush when you're free to explore.

    Cas

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Hey there. Here were my first comments on that thread....

    Cantleave

    WELCOME!

    A tough position to be in, an elder with a heart and conscience that is not being controlled by the GB.

    I have found great comfort being here with many former elders. As one who used to be an elder (among other things) I can only tell you that you are not alone. We understand.

    I will also suggest a bit of patience with yourself. Coming here is not an easy step, and in trying to get to know yourself and your own mind, it will be difficult.

    But you certainly can't ignore what you have seen, nor should you. An honest person can't.

    I wish you the best in your journey, and hope that the true and honest approach is one you will always take...

    You don't need my approval, but congratulations are in order. It only matters how you treat and view yourself and your family. And I am very happy for you. That is fantastic, and I hope for decades of future happiness to you and yours as you move on from the cult and into a normal life. Your kids esp will love you all the more for what you and the Mrs are doing right now...

    Much peace to all of you.

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    Good for you...good fr your wife...and especially good for your kids! Hopefully they'll never know what you saved them from.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Thank you all for your comments. I met with Mr. Majestic a few days a ago and one of the questions he asked me was will I ever be an EX ex JW? Meaning will I ever get to the stage of leaving this board and just forget I was ever a witness. I don't know if that will ever happen. I have been helped by people like ATJ, OTWO, AKJ, Mouthy, Flipper and others who seem to use this forum as a way to help people get this a tough process. I would like to think that I can help in this way too.

    I am still a long way from saying I have executed a succesful fade, as far as I know my letter of resignation hasn't even been responded to by the Branch, I suppose I should go a meeting to find out. I have a feeling the CO may deal with this when he comes next. But the truth is I really don't care. I am no longer goint o be controlled by self self important men in an insignificant, pseudo-religious cult.

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