the Watchtower, December 15, 2009 (PDF)

by possible-san 112 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  possible-san

  I never provide you with PDF.

  Your character is bad.
  I can't think that you can help Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Black Sheep

  As a matter of fact, I just identified a 1930s Watchtower that one of our posters was looking for for a debate with his Elders and then supplied him with a copy, so don't tell me that I can't help Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  possible-san

  Anyone can provide such a material etc.

  "help" which I described is not only such meaning.
  For instance, "rescue."

  And I say,
  "I can't think that ..."
  
  I am not asking your thought.
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  TheOldHippie

  I think the best thing you could do, impossible-son, is to go and prepare yourself a nice cup of tea and sit down and relax with it and enjoy it, and forget all about participating in discussions here. They inevitably seem to develop into strange exchanges of who dislikes whom the most and who is not trustworthy etc. Please have a nice and hot cup of green or white tea and do something more useful than call for or deliver obeisance.
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  possible-san

  Hypocrite TheOldHippie.
  
  Thank you for your empty advice.
  This time, Have you pretended like a good person?

  I never forgive you.
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  TheOldHippie

  I have pretended only one thing, impossible-son, and that is irony together with disbelieving resignation.

  And by the way - how you scared me ............ truly impossible .............
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  sir82

  If you do not need PDF, you need to do nothing.
  And you do not get it.

  No soup for you!
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  possible-san

  Hypocrite TheOldHippie.
  
  Did you show true character of you?

  And you are an "impossibility thinker" who loves the word "impossible."
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  MissingLink

  Moggy Lover wrote:

  Just another piece of bother if I may be indulged? I notice that I have missed the downloads from the Sept 15, Oct 15, and Nov 15 issues of the 2009 Wt. Could you, or some blessed soul out there help me by providing the appropriate links? That will complete my set of study editions for the year 2009.

  I only have Sept 15. If anyone has Oct 15 or Nov 15, could you please share?

  Here is a link to Sept 15 2009: http://www.sendspace.com/file/v3bxsp

  I don't know where it came from. I have 396 files in my library, and keeping track of where they came from is not something I do. So - whoever provided it originally - thanks to you.
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  Mebaqqer2

  To all,

  I think what we have here is part cross-cultural misunderstanding and part self-promotion.

  If it was possible-san's intent to provide this material so that others might benefit, he could have easily uploaded it somewhere, said it was available through this forum while acknowledging the person who produced the PDF. Instead he used this site to inform us that the material was available to people (who register) on his site; i.e. he is using the material to promote his own site.

  As for giving thanks to the one who produced the PDF, I do not think anyone would hesitate to do so. The problem here is that in the West we believe that expressions of appreciation are best expressed naturally when the feeling occurs in an individual. It would be only to children who have yet to learn how to act in the world would someone say, "say thank you!" But in Japan saying thank you is not about true expression of feeling, but is rather an expression related to proper form as a member of society. In Japan one can see such admonitions on the proper way to act all the time. For example, here is a sign that tells you to put your legs in while riding the train: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/538502614_7f1c4f3cdc.jpg. The expression of thanks may be accompanied by feeling in Japan, but it need not be. Basically, form takes precedent over feelings and it is through the mastery of form that Japanese believe one develops the proper inner responses.

  Because how to act is grounded in form rather than feelings from within in Japan, it is not surprising for a Japanese adult to admonish another adult to behave a certain way. Of course to a Westerner such an act is rude not only because such admonition makes the recipient out to be a child, but because such admonition assumes that the recipient does not know the proper way to act. I think this is the real reason why possible-san's post gets people so riled up. I am sure if possible-san had used the method I had said earlier, there would have been many thanks from everyone. As it is, possible-san's perceived condescending manner coupled with the usage of the material to self-promote his site has led many to see him as rude and disingenuous.

  Mebaqqer

  P.S. I don't want the magazine and never did...