by elder-schmelder 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
you might imagine a flood happening to
the earliest people with God's purpose. A big local flood could be thought to
be the whole world as they knew it.
The oldest record of the flood story is assyrian/mesopatamian
Neither of which agree with the Bible's narrative so the question remains: Did they build the pyramids before or after the Flood as described in the Bible?
Undercover,
Most tend to view the story of Noahs' arc as one of the many flood stories in that geographical area.
My question is did they build some before and some after?
elder-schmelder
The pyramids were built at diffeent times but, unless we lknow the date of the flood we can't knwo for sure what was cam first, the flood or the pyramids.
Further information: Eridu Genesis
The earliest extant flood legend is contained in the fragmentary SumerianEridu Genesis, datable by its script to the 17th century BCE. [ 1 ]
The story tells how the god Enki warns Ziusudra (meaning "he saw life," in reference to the gift of immortality given him by the gods), of the gods' decision to destroy mankind in a flood—the passage describing why the gods have decided this is lost. Enki instructs Ziusudra (also known as Atrahasis) to build a large boat—the text describing the instructions is also lost. After which he is left to repopulate the earth, as in many other flood legends.
After a flood of seven days, Zi-ud-sura makes appropriate sacrifices and prostrations to An (sky-god) and Enlil (chief of the gods), and is given eternal life in Dilmun (the Sumerian Eden) by An and Enlil.
Further information: Epic of Gilgamesh 
The "Deluge tablet" (tablet 11) of the Epic of Gilgamesh in Akkadian.
In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (tablet 11). This was a late addition to the Gilgamesh cycle, largely paraphrased or copied verbatim from the Epic of Atrahasis (see above).
The hero Gilgamesh, seeking immortality, searches out Utnapishtim in Dilmun, a kind of paradise on earth. Utnapishtim tells how Ea (equivalent of the Sumerian Enki) warned him of the gods' plan to destroy all life through a great flood and instructed him to build a vessel in which he could save his family, his friends, and his wealth and cattle. After the Deluge the gods repented their action and made Utnapishtim immortal.
Main article: Noah's Ark
The best-known version of the Jewish deluge legend is contained in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 6–9). Two non-canonical books, the Enoch and Jubilees, both later than Genesis, contain elaborations on the Genesis story.
Genesis tells how "...the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am grieved that I have made them.'" [ 2 ]
God selects Noah, a man who "found favor in the eyes of the Lord" [ 3 ] and commands him to build an ark [ 4 ] to save Noah, his family, and the Earth's animals and birds. After Noah builds the ark, "all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened" [ 5 ] . Rain falls for 40 days, the water rises 150 days, and all the high mountains are covered. [ 6 ] On the 27th of Cheshvan of the year 1657 from Creation (2104 BCE) "the earth dried" (Genesis 8:14) completing the 365-day duration of the Great Flood. The ark rests on the mountains, the water recedes for 150 days, until the waters are gone and Noah opens up the ark. At this point Noah sends out a raven and then a dove to see if the flood waters have receded. Noah and the animals leave the ark, Noah offers a sacrifice to God, and God places a rainbow in the clouds as a sign that he will never again destroy the Earth by water.
The apocryphal 2nd century BCE 1st Book of Enoch adds to the Genesis flood story by saying that God sent the Great Flood to rid the earth of the Nephilim, the titanic children of the Grigori, the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis, and of human females.
Good grief!
Don't you know that any sort of chronology that conflicts with the inerrant literal Word of God must be, ipso facto, bar none, utterly false?
Any dates for pyramids older than the flood are clearly determined with the help of Satan himself.
sir82,
All I want to know is this:
How do they get the caramel into the carmilk bar?
According to "Before the Flood" by Ian Wilson (Orion Press 2001) there is evidence of a massive flood cause by ice caps melting and the mediterranean sea flooding into what was a fresh water lake creating the Black Sea in 5500 BCE.
Ancient artifacts have been found under the black sea dating to this period. There is evidence of spontaneous mass extinction of fresh water molluscs being replaced by salt water species.
I am currently on chapter 8 but I would recommended this as a fascinating read.
Answer to elder-schmelder: Built before the Flood that never happened. Questions for the WTBTS:
1) Since hundreds of pharaoh's are known from archaeology and their reigns dated, why does the Society not take the list and give their own datings for each of them? Then we should believe... Well, they might get into some trouble, because many of the names are connected to the known history of other nations as well... but here is the challenge to the Brooklyn guys: Update the table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs
2) Concerning the dating of the pyramids, a couple of years ago I read Chris Turney's book Bones, Rocks and Stars, with some interesting stuff on independent dating of the pyramids based on astronomical data (nothing to do with Alcyone...). Or is this problem for the Society solved by 'sun standing still' etc?
3) Another question for the Society: After the Flood, how much time would be needed for such a big nation and a strong civilization to evolve so that it could produce monuments such as the great pyramid? Some time had already been lost in building the first tower and relocating and there were no giants left on earth...
DrJohnStMark
I would love to see the answers that they give to your questions.
The problem is that you can't put a worldwide flood before the pyramids because there would not be the amount of time required to build a empire even if we were off a few hundred year for the pyramids.
You also cant put the pyramids during the flood because that dont make any sense (that they built some pyramids and then were destroyed and then some of Noah's kids came back and built more pyramids).
You cant put them after the flood after the building of the pyramids because we have complete history after they were build and we know that it was not a flood that destroyed the egyptian nation.
Looks like to me that there was no flood.
elder-schmelder
elder-schmelder: Looks like to me that there was no flood.
Or perhaps there were no pyramids. "If the facts are against your theory, just get rid of them."
