Does God believe in burning People? (page 3)

watson

I always felt the "fire" thing meant a complete cutting off. No chance of resurection. Liked that one. Let me stomach the "christian god."

sir82

that God of the OT is NOT someone I want to get to know.

the Gospel of John speaks to me, far more than any other works

Sounds like you're on the road to Gnosticism!

designs

Ps-

Even there the 'Christian world' is divided theolgocially about Covenantalism. It has become a strange brew with all sides claiming insight and orthodoxy from the same Holy Spirit.

hamsterbait

Homerovah -

You are surely overstating things by saying YHWH was the most cruel god.

The CHild sacrifice cults had mass offerings of children.

They were placed on a polished platform in front of the idol. An orchestra of brass and drums then played music as loud as possible, as the platform tipped and the kids slid into the fires below. That way the parents of the kids could not hear the screams as they roasted alive. Wasn't Molech kind to those parents who lovingly sacrificed their little ones?

All religions have an evil core of superstition and cruelty.

HB

glenster

All overly 'centric believers and non-believers have an evil core of
superstition and cruelty and are hard to stomach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQRUcybOjOM

hamsterbait

Blondie - you are so right about the way the WT cites scriptures.

None of the scriptures mentioned in Leviticus or Judges states clearly that the victims were stoned to death beforehand.

In fact the Knox translation of Lev 20: 14 is: "The man who mates with Mother and Daughter both is guilty of a foul deed; he and they must be burned ALIVE."

The problem is that the WT has painted itself into a corner here. The surrounding verses say "put to death" for all the other crimes. It is hard to see why the account cannot distinguish between being put to death, and being put to death THEN burned.

The Jepthah account seems to me to be accounting for a ritual of women annually weeping over her childless state. it sounds so like the ritual of weeping over Tammuz, I am convinced this is actually a cooked up explanation for it. Like the purported origins made of the customary ritual kidnappings by the sons of Benjamin.

HB

DrJohnStMark

PSacramento: Burnt flesh stinks, how are they gonne get rid of it?

But the God of Bible loves that: And Noah builded an altar... and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour... (Gen.8:20-21). We also should, as images of God, shouldn't we (we're no more perfect but...)?

The Almighty Homer

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.

Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.

The Almighty Homer

Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

You can only imagine how bad its going to be when Armageddon comes around

VoidEater

Man has nasty emotions and petty demands and insists on painting these on God.

God is far removed from nasty emotions and petty demands, or he wouldn't be God.

God may be eternal - and in so being is eternally out of reach from those that use Him for their own anti-life leanings.

It can be scary to take respnsibility for your own fears, jealousies, needs to control your fellow man.

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