like I say. Judge Judy/
car thief !
The Caring Elders
by cantleave 50 Replies latest jw friends
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betterdaze
She asked an elder to ask if the people boxing her in could move their car.
And he disrespected her wishes and ruined her car. He needs to man-up and pay for the damage he caused, or step down as an elder. Personally I would call for both due to his cowardly cavalier attitude to her dilemma.
But truly, she is at fault: She willingly (and stupidly) handed over her keys to another driver. She defaulted to his manly "headship."Her mistake in judgement. But yeah, he's gotta pay, even if it's $10 a week until it's made right.
The very first thing my father told me, when I bought my first car as a teenager:
"Never hand your car keys to someone else. They didn't work for it, they didn't pay for it, and they'll never respect your property with the same care and attention you would. And don't be too quick to drive someone else's car, either. They'll find some old scratch or dent or sound or something and try to blame it on you."
Dad was a cop who dealt with the lowest-of-the-low scum sh*t elements of society all his life. I'm grateful he taught us how to avoid them, by taking personal responsibility for ourselves and our property. Mom the JW would just tell us "Forgive, and let anyone screw you over, Jehovah will take care of it all in the New System." A divided household had its advantages.
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freddo
OK - UK ex elder here - this is my twopennorth.
If she is prepared to "take this all the way" and is wanting to stay in the congo (and accept gossip and slander and all the snooty looks) then this is what she should do.
Go to the brother with her case in writing.
Bro. Rex Karz
Looneytune Cong of JW's
Fairyland
Dear Bro Karz
On Thursday last you insisted upon getting my car out of a tight spot in the kingdom hall car park. You damaged it (photo's enclosed) and the cost of repair is shown on three estimates from reputable repairers ranging from £600 to £750. I appreciate you were trying to help but the result is that I need my car fixing. According to my insurers I am not insured for this and neither are you.
Our verbal communication thus far has proved worrying to me in your reluctance to address this matter properly and I now reluctantly inform you that I expect you to pay me the sum of the repairs as soon as possible. If you have not agreed to this within seven days then I will apply the first stage of Matthew 18. Any refusal by you to follow the steps outlined in this bible-based procedure will result in my formally writing to the body of elders to enable them to suggest two witnesses who can ascertain the facts.
In turn, if I feel that I if am being "fobbed off", disrespected and/or treated in an unchristian manner over this matter then I will take it up with the circuit overseer or branch office.
I remain
Your loving sister in Jehovah's service (!)
Minnie Driver
(You may choose - in writing - to say that you will accept payment over say 6 months or even a year and you may agree that you were partly to blame - that's up to you - but start high I say)
Sadly I reckon sister will get taken for a ride because she will not square up to this elder.
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logic
Put a sign on the damaged part of the car that gives the name of the elder and the amount of money
he refused to pay. This would be the same as bringing it before the entire congregation as the
bible recommends. Then just sit back and enjoy the show.
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pat1060
This could have been so simple if the people could have moved there own car out of the way.Never block some one in....Are they so special they couldn't be bothered to go out side and move there stupid car...
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White Dove
It sounds like the person blocking her in wasn't even asked to move the car. Sometimes, in certain congregations when there is a special event like the CO visit, there is limited parking and the brothers will make people park their cars right up next to each other from all sides.
If anyone attended the Tacoma Dome assemblies, you were permanently trapped until the end of the day's session. I wonder if that was a trick to make sure people didn't leave too early because there were whole parking lots around the Dome that had signs that said, "NO JW PARKING."
I never could figure that out, since the WTS rented the Dome. I assumed all the parking lots came with it. But I degress. That bastard of an elder better pay up.
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LongHairGal
Cantleave,
I think the brother who scraped her car has some moral obligation to at least offer something, but if it doesn't happen this will be a lesson learned. This is why I wanted no dealings with anybody there.
This story reminded me of something that happened to me when I was parked in the KH parking lot years ago. I parked properly in a stall, I wasn't crooked or anything. But, somebody parked next to me and their car was on a slant. I didn't notice this and when I pulled out I scraped their car. I was upset because through no fault of my own I scraped somebody's car. Now, the person's car was a bomb but this was besides the point. Anyway, the person let it go. On another occasion on a Saturday afternoon for hall cleaning I was parked in the lot and when I pulled out and was almost at the sidewalk a young child on a tricycle flew in front of me. If I had been going faster than the snails pace I was going I would certainly have hit them.
After these and other things I observed I decided never to park in the hall lot again. I preferred to park several blocks away and walk in the rain if I had to.
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lepermessiah
The sad part of this tale, is like many in JW land, it goes beyond even being a witness.
Most average everyday people, regardless of religion, with a shred of dignity would quickly admit their error and stupidity in this situation and admit fault. I have had similar situations at work, and because I worked with some pretty decent people, these situations were resolved to everyone's satisfaction. I know one situation where a co-worker hit another persons' car - they paid them off over time.
The guy sounds like a total a-hole - add in the fact that he is an elder and a supposed "shepherd" and "star in Christ's right hand", then it really looks more ridiculous.Who cares if he is sacrificing for the "kingdom" - everyone is responsible for their actions.
Its time for her to go to the mattresses with this guy - timid or not, she CANNOT let this d-bag win.
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pat1060
White Dove,I agree with you....The elder should pay,even if he can only make payments,would be the loving thing to do...
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boyzone
Good letter Freddo, I hope the sister has the gumption to use it.