People don't believe in a religion, a religion is an organized doctrine of beliefs.
People have beliefs or decide to follow certain beliefs that best suit their needs at any given time.
I find it illogical for people to believe in "Religion"
by sinis 40 Replies latest jw experiences
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sinis
OK, nitpicker... I hesitated to use a specific, because of the many different beliefs, doctrines, books, etc. that exist. The post encompasses ALL forms of religious orders, religion, per se.
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jeremiahjs
There are many false religions and really all man made religious sects may have some false in them. But without faith in what God promised everythings destiny is dust and destruction. I belive in the Ceator - God and do belive his purpose for his creations and His will and word. With God there is everlasting life in perfection, love, joy and peace wins forever. Without God everything created is destined to be destroyed- i cannot except this way of thinking. I would rather find, love and please God and see what happens, than to reject God and embrace everythings eventual destruction. Plus i would rather belive in unseen things hard to belive that leads to life without death, than to not belive leads to death without life. To me its illogical for nothing to create everything (big bang-nothing at all explodes and equals every atom)seeing everything we know has been created at one point in time in the past. To me there has to be somting in existence that was never created(always been there) to create the first creation and all creations scince. And God just so happens to take credit for this in His Word and promises and does things only He could do.
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PSacramento
LOL !
Well, if someone comes up with an belief and he tells some people and they believe it and they tell some people and then the group formulate a doctrine of this belief, you have created a "religion".
It is actually a very logical thing to do.
A group of people who hold common beliefs and have put these beliefs on "paper" and formulated a doctrine.
Now, if you ask is it logical to believe in soemthing you have no proof of, well....then you have to deal with the notion of proof and evidence, for some LOTS of proof is needed, for others, "Just enough".
Remember, todays logic can be the fantasy of tomorrow, none of us ever truly know where we stand.
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jonathan dough
Whatever you do, don't make the mistake of turning your back on Scripture like the ex-JW atheists and God-haters on this site have done;
Not all atheists are ex-JWs. They consist of people of all different faiths, why should JWs be any differen't.
I never said that all atheists are ex-JWs, but the principle is the same. If you were a Methodist and turned atheist you're in the same sinking boat.
you probably have been brainwashed to believe that Christendom is the work of Satan. It's not. You probably think the Trinity is the work of the devil. It's not. You have just been mislead to believe that.
You are making a lot of assumptions about what ex-JWs believe, what our reasons were for being JWs, and what our reasons were for leaving. Believe it or not, the trinity is not the central issue in many of our lives, or an issue at all, for that matter.
First, I don't think you are in a position to speak for most JWs if that's what's your claiming. Secondly, the Trinity is one of the core reasons why JWs stay out of Christendom; you can't deny that with a straight face. Third, nothing I said addressed the issue of what your "reasons for being JWs" were but rather the reasons for staying out of Christendom and rejecting Scripture in its entirty. In their minds the doctrine of the Trinity is an insurmoutable obstacle. I speak from experience. The WT literature is filled with explicit references to the Trinity and Christendom being the work of the devil. Maybe you weren't paying attention during the second hour on Sundays, and Tuesday and Thursday nights.
The biggest mistake you can do is pretend that the Bible is not the word of God, and thereby do your own thing as you see fit.
Another arrogant presumption. You are assuming people who no longer believe the bible is god's word aren't really firm in their convictions, but rather simply want an excuse to live a debauched life without guilt.
It was an admonition, not a presumption. It's obvious that many of you atheists and God-haters have strong convictions, but that strength doesn't translate into truth. Hitler had strong convictions. And yes, many do want an excuse to live a debauched life without guilt; I couldn't have said it better. Demons are running rampant on this board. Ex-jw atheists and God-haters were gullible enough to join in the first place, or if they were born in, gullible enough to stay in after the age of 18, and after they get out they display the same gullibility in the opposite direction, reflecting dangerous instability.
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wobble
Dear Sinis,
Thank you for injecting a bit of sensible thinking into our discussions. I personally no longer get hot under the collar about what others believe, I think it matters not what someone believes as long as it harms no-one.
But , as soon as they start telling me what is "Truth" or what I must believe or I will burn in the fires of hell, they are harming me, by disturbing my peace.
Like you, I have gone beyond religion, but far from that making me an immoral libertine , as the Dubs and J.Dough would have you believe, it makes me a more moral person.
The Apostles Paul and James etc. touched on it when they were trying to get the early christians to get away from the concept of laws given by God, and then try to wriggle and squirm within those laws as the Jewish nation did, and embrace the concept of a conscience YOU have developed, which necessarily has more weight with you than an imposed law. Jesus pointed out the problem of religion when he said to the" lawkeepers"
"You give the tenth of the mint and the dill but....."
I too find it hard to believe that anybody who looks at the evidence can support any religion.
I do though believe that some of the teachings of many religions are pure Gold. For example, the Golden rule, "Do nothing to others that you would not wish done to yourself " is a marvellous dictum,and if everybody lived by it the World would be perfect.
Of course, Jesus was not the first to say this, Rabbi Hillel before him, and most of the eastern religions before the rabbi had a version of it.
So, I think to be a humanist who lives by the Golden Rule is the best thing to aspire to. And I believe if you really tried to do that, that if there was a God he would say "because you did this to one of my little ones, you are approved"
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"Enter into my kingdom, you atheist-humanist, or however you style yourself, you are welcome"
love
Wobble
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jonathan dough
ut far from that making me an immoral libertine , as the Dubs and J.Dough would have you believe,
Please, Wobble, don't lump me in with the Dubs. I'm anti-Dub to the core.
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keyser soze
Demons are running rampant on this board. Ex-jw atheists and God-haters were gullible enough to join in the first place, or if they were born in, gullible enough to stay in after the age of 18, and after they get out they display the same gullibility in the opposite direction, reflecting dangerous instability.
Someone as dogmatic as you about an ancient book of fairy tales has no call using the word "gullible" in reference to others. Have fun in your make-believe world, with your imaginary friend. I was born into the JW religion. What's your excuse?
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HintOfLime
I never said that all atheists are ex-JWs, but the principle is the same. If you were a Methodist and turned atheist you're in the same sinking boat.
Lol. Yes. The more we peice together the fossil record, the more we learn about our history and that of earth from verifiable facts and simple mathmatics, the more we learn about DNA and genetics... the weaker and weaker the case gets for life comming into existance naturally, and the stronger the case gets for goddidit.
Uh huh. We are the ones in the sinking ship. I guess it's sinking because it's getting loaded down with all the heavy facts and evidence. Meanwhile the bible says god created the earth in 6 days a few thousand years ago. Wow.
Clearly, a product of divine wisdom, and not cavemen making shit up. Go God, Go! pi = 3!
- Lime
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freydo
What boggles my mind is that there is nothing logical about evolution. As Buckminster Fuller noted, "Evolution is impossible because chromosomes would be missing. So you can't take two monkeys and come up with a human, but you can go the other way and take two humans and come up with something pretty close to monkey. There are a lot of people like that." And here we are on this little speck of nothing, in the middle of nowhere, like a grain of sand in the ocean.
And we are all dying.