After the Jw experience I can fully understand people becoming athiests. I became a witness at 13 after attending mainstream churches.I stayed in till I was 24. For 20 years after I didnt want to hear the word God or religion. My problem turned out to be with the Watchtowers legalism.The living under their thumb life.Couldnt take it. I dont have answers for anyone but myself. I am happy with a simple theology and belief in god. I dont belong to any church but I can say christendom is not full of the desparate,hopeless,ignorant people as the Watchtower taught me.
I find it illogical for people to believe in "Religion"
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jonathan dough
Meanwhile the bible says god created the earth in 6 days a few thousand years ago.
Days are epochs.
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jonathan dough
ME: Demons are running rampant on this board. Ex-jw atheists and God-haters were gullible enough to join in the first place, or if they were born in, gullible enough to stay in after the age of 18, and after they get out they display the same gullibility in the opposite direction, reflecting dangerous instability.
YOU: Someone as dogmatic as you about an ancient book of fairy tales has no call using the word "gullible" in reference to others. Have fun in your make-believe world, with your imaginary friend. I was born into the JW religion. What's your excuse?
ME: The gullibility with respect to going in or staying in refers to the Society's fabrications and mis-interpretations and application, not whether the Bible is the Word of God which is the part they got right. The gullibility in getting out and becoming anti-Christ concerns whether the Bible is the Word of God, and/or whether God exists.
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jonathan dough
I dont belong to any church but I can say christendom is not full of the desparate,hopeless,ignorant people as the Watchtower taught me.
Well said.
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HintOfLime
What boggles my mind is that there is nothing logical about evolution. As Buckminster Fuller noted, "Evolution is impossible because chromosomes would be missing. So you can't take two monkeys and come up with a human, but you can go the other way and take two humans and come up with something pretty close to monkey. There are a lot of people like that." And here we are on this little speck of nothing, in the middle of nowhere, like a grain of sand in the ocean.
Buckminster Fuller is flat wrong. :P Chromosome 2 in humans is clearly fused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
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jeremiahjs
Yes, at least follow the golden rule, this will save you more than all our belifes combined and published! The message of the bible is to love and not stop loving another.
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sinis
It really depends WHO your definition of "god" really is. Mine is NOT what religion teaches. It actually makes more sense, when seen through the writings of the ancients...
I too find it hard to believe that anybody who looks at the evidence can support any religion.
I do though believe that some of the teachings of many religions are pure Gold. For example, the Golden rule, "Do nothing to others that you would not wish done to yourself " is a marvellous dictum,and if everybody lived by it the World would be perfect.
Of course, Jesus was not the first to say this, Rabbi Hillel before him, and most of the eastern religions before the rabbi had a version of it.
So, I think to be a humanist who lives by the Golden Rule is the best thing to aspire to. And I believe if you really tried to do that, that if there was a God he would say "because you did this to one of my little ones, you are approved"
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"Enter into my kingdom, you atheist-humanist, or however you style yourself, you are welcome"
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Wobble
...yet you have to have at least pondered the question, WHY adhere to a golden rule? Yes for civilization to exist it needs to be implemented, however from the pure spiritual, redemptive, judgement perspective, if there is no "god" who cares what you do as an individual...
Lol. Yes. The more we peice together the fossil record, the more we learn about our history and that of earth from verifiable facts and simple mathmatics, the more we learn about DNA and genetics... the weaker and weaker the case gets for life comming into existance naturally, and the stronger the case gets for goddidit.
Uh huh. We are the ones in the sinking ship. I guess it's sinking because it's getting loaded down with all the heavy facts and evidence. Meanwhile the bible says god created the earth in 6 days a few thousand years ago. Wow.
Clearly, a product of divine wisdom, and not cavemen making shit up. Go God, Go! pi = 3!
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What evidence? How about the hard evidence of places like Puka Puma, etal. Explain those. Explain how the great pyramid of Giza is aligned to how the constellation Orion was around 10,000 bce? Sumerian king lineage going back 500K years, documented ascensions with astrological/astronomical signs. With similiar stories existing within American Indian, and Meso American tribes, etc. It really depends WHO your definition of "god" is. Read the Mahabarata and Vimanas, Sumerian creation story, etc. with open eyes and try to see what ancient man was trying to explain.
You sound like a young earther. 6 days? Not possible. Just like the flood is impossible to have happened with total global flooding - your "god" would have had to have bent the laws of physics hundreds of times over, when it probably would have been simpler to just kill those few humans within the local, which begs the question, why a "global" flood?
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VoidEater
ALL religion is "man made" and cannot be proven otherwise. It is spoken by men, explained by men, determined by men, told to men.
Sure, you can claim it comes from some non-human source - anyone can say anything, believe anything, assert anything - but there is no evidence. At all. Just belief in your interpretation of what someone else said that someone else wrote down.
I may never know all the mind bending questions, but who cares. Why bother.
Even with religion, all you have is BELIEF. If that's what works for you, great! But let's not pretend that it's objective proof - it's assurance of things not in evidence. It's a CHOICE to believe in it.
Why do people waste their time, lives, and who knows what else, mentally masterbating over some book written during the stone age?
Because the SENSATION, the BELIEF of having answers and knowing the future gives a sense of safety and comfort - people will go to GREAT LENGTHS to maintain that sense of safety, of comfort, of BELIEF.
The alternative is just too frightening to accept.
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frankiespeakin
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Welcome to the board LAMBERT