We might have awakened to another mass murder this AM...

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  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    I read about MK Ultra in The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism (which I highly recommend.) MK Ultra was a CIA-funded program, designed to interrogate prisoners using drugs, isolation and sensory deprivation, electro-shock (basically torture) even including frontal lobotomies. Experiments were carried out in the 1950s in Canadian hospitals using test subjects who were duped. Manchurian Candidate-type stuff. Led to some of the atrocities at Guantanamo.

    Not sure what context WAC is referring to about Yemen..........

  • Simon
    Simon
    Obama and his team obviously prefer a far more mature, strategic approach. It's about projecting a sense of calm and control. It's about choosing not to elevate some lunatic thug who set himself on fire [....] It's about competent and effective leadership, and it's what the country was sorely lacking up until 11 months ago

    Exactly. I think sometimes the aim is not to succeed in blowing up a plane (unless they get incredibly lucky) but just to cause a commotion and have the President answering to them, to their agenda.

    Thankfully, you now have a President who isn't an idiot and can use a bit of common sense and not fall for the blindingly obvious.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    WAC, are you sure you're getting the proper nutrition? Are you lacking in some critical vitamin or mineral?

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    He looks like a harmless kid.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    It still all feels 'off' to me...already stories from administration are flying - yesterday I heard the TSA guy say there was nothing more that can be done and then today I hear them say that NOW is the time to override personal liberties and privacy and put in full body scan machines in the airports...opportunity. Yesterday I heard Napolitano say all was going well and security was the best ever and then today - not so. More stories abound.....sammieswife.

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    A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallabtrying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport. Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday. Lori Kurt Haskell.jpg Kurt Haskell Lori and Kurt Haskell Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man. Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning. While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'” Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee. The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane. Haskell said the flight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flight attendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced the plane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seat to view the brewing commotion. “I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,” said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started to spread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.” Haskell, who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager, said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke and when Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers. “He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.” The ordeal has Haskell and his wife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fire and the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for a landing, he said. “Immediately, the pilot came on and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that was it. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell he floored it.” As Mutallab was being led out of the plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same man he saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam. Passengers had to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit the plane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours to be interviewed by the FBI. About an hour after landing, Haskell said he saw another man being taken into custody. But a spokeswoman from the FBI in Detroit said Mutallab was the only person taken into custody.


  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    You're Doing a Heck of a Job, Janet

    Remember when President Bush told FEMA Director Michael Brown he was doing a heck of a job with the Hurricane Katrina response? Now comes Janet Napolitano.

    Napolitano's characterization and subsequent spin that "the system worked" in the case of Umar Farouk Abdulmuttalab's Detroit terror scare proves that she isn't qualified to be the head of Homeland Security in a post-9/11 world. The Christmas Day terrorism scare over Detroit was a test and she failed it.

    . . .

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-grenell/youre-doing-a-heck-of-a-j_b_406212.html

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    What do you expect when you fly an airline named "NWA"?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Six,

    Good one!

    Check this out. . .

    Source: CIA failed to circulate report about bombing suspect

    The father of terrorism suspect Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab talked about his son's extremist views with someone from the CIA and a report was prepared, but the report was not circulated outside the agency, a reliable source told CNN's Jeanne Meserve on Tuesday.

    Had that information been shared, the 23-year-old Nigerian who is alleged to have bungled an attempt to blow up a jetliner as it was landing in Detroit, Michigan, on Christmas Day might have been denied passage on the Northwest Airlines flight, the source said.

    U.S. officials said the father, a former Nigerian banker, expressed his concerns about his son's radicalization during at least one meeting and several calls with officials at the embassy in Nigeria.

    The information on AbdulMutallab had been sent to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, but it sat there for five weeks and was not disseminated, the source said.

    . . .

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/29/airline.terror.cia/index.html

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Congressman Ron Paul on CNN. . .

    . . .

    KING: Ron Paul, you want to respond first to the congresswoman and then Ben.

    PAUL: Yes, I do.

    KING: Go ahead.

    PAUL: One thing that is missing here is never asking the question what is the motive? He said why he was -- he did it. He said it was because we bombed Yemen two weeks ago. That was his motive. Osama bin Laden said that he has a plan for America. First, he wants to bog us down in the Middle East in a no-win war. He wants to bankrupt this country, demoralize us, as well as have us do things that motivate people to join his radical movement.

    It seems like we've fallen into his trap. Why is it off base? Today, when the gentleman indicated that he did it because of the bombing, you know what the administration said? They dismissed it. It can't possibly be so. If you dismiss motivations for why they hate us, we can never resolve this. There's hate on both sides. You have to ask the question, why do they hate? And they usually come up with a reason. And we're foolish not to take that into consideration.

    KING: Ben?

    STEIN: Well, that's -- I have never heard anything quite like that in my whole life. What he's saying, basically, is we are doing something wrong by defending ourselves. Look, if these terrorists are trying to kill the government of Yemen, we've got to help defend them. They're our friends. We can't just let al Qaeda run wild. If we try to stop them --

    PAUL: Why?

    STEIN: Why should we stop them? Because they are terrorists and murderers and they're very anti-American.

    PAUL: Why are they terrorists?

    STEIN: Surely congressman --

    PAUL: Why are they terrorists?

    STEIN: They're terrorists and murders because they are psychos.

    PAUL: They're terrorists because we're occupiers.

    . . .

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/28/lkl.01.html

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Ron Paul

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