Trotting Out Old Light and Making it New Again- 1975

by OnTheWayOut 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  AllTimeJeff

  They said that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975. They said that Eve was created some time afterward. They do not have any clue from the Bible how much time passed from Adam's creation to Eve's creation nor how much more time passed before Eve ate the apple. We only know that by the time Adam was 130, Seth was born after Adam and Eve had sinned and had two other children.

  Nope, that is correct. I was making a parody of what it would have been like if JW's believed that Eve was created shortly after Adam and somehow tried to apply it to the 6000 years. The GB must now somehow get everyone to believe that this time lapse happened, purely out of a need to back up their idiotic timelines.

  The Genesis narrative is 'out there' anyway. But to believe that Adam was alone for going on 35 years now is ridiculous. And that Eve was barely created before being tested by "Satan" (not named until Jesus and Revelation in the NT) is all pure nonesense. And again, it has as its aim the same thing with the 1914/607 teaching, the propping up of failed WT prophecies.

  And to believe that Eve was created out of a rib, that a talking snake caused all of the mess mankind is in is ridiculous too. But I digress.....
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  flipper

  OTWO- Interesting. Maybe the GB should appoint you to be on the writing committee . I mean you have every bit as vivid an imagination as the rest of the guys back there ! LOL! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  blondie

  The WTS has with an adjustment in what a creative day created 2 groups of jws, newer jws who will say that a creative day is a general number of thousand years and older jws who lived through the 1966-1975 plus years when it was defined as 7,000 years.

  ***Close to Jehovah book (cl) chap. 5 p. 56 par. 20 Creative Power—"The Maker of Heaven and Earth" ***Has Jehovah stopped exercising his creative power? Well, the Bible does say that when Jehovah finished his creative work on the sixth creative day, "he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made." (Genesis 2:2) The apostle Paul indicated that this seventh "day" is thousands of years long, for it was still ongoing in his day. (Hebrews 4:3-6)

  *** w96 4/1 p. 13 par. 10 Praise the King of Eternity! ***Wonderful developments took place on earth during the six creative "days" of Genesis chapter 1, each day covering thousands of years.

  *** w94 9/1 p. 6 Science, Religion, and the Search for Truth ***The Bible does not say that each creative "day" was 24 hours long; indeed, it includes all these ‘days’ in the much longer "day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven," showing that not all Biblical ‘days’ contained just 24 hours. (Genesis 2:4) Some could have been many thousands of years in length.

  *** w93 1/1 p. 4 Our Grand Creator and His Works ***In an orderly sequence of six ‘creative days,’ each thousands of years in length, "God’s active force" proceeded to prepare earth for man’s habitation.

  *** si p. 279 par. 8 Study Number 2—Time and the Holy Scriptures ***In the Genesis account, the creative day is an even longer period of time—millenniums. (Gen. 2:2, 3; Ex. 20:11)

  *** w89 8/1 p. 27 par. 16 Paradise Prospects Valid Despite Human Disobedience ***A dazzling vision of God’s purpose accomplished, the preparations for which he had made by six creative days of work over thousands of years of time!

  7,000 years

  *** w87 1/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***Because the number 49 occurs in both cases, it might seem that the Jubilee would foreshadow the time following the end of a creative week of 49,000 years.

  Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long.

  *** w80 11/15 p. 19 par. 9 Humanity’s State of Health That Might Have Been ***They know that they are living in the seventh day of the creative week of Jehovah God, during which he has been resting from direct creative works respecting our earth. (Gen. 1:1 through 2:4) World events as well as Bible chronology indicate that we are now rapidly nearing the time for the thousand-year-long reign of Jesus Christ to start. His reign of a thousand years for the blessing of all mankind will occupy the last thousand years of Jehovah’s rest day or Sabbath day of seven thousand years. Christ’s reign will be a Sabbath day of exquisite delight for all mankind.

  *** w76 7/15 p. 436 par. 17 Keeping a Balanced View of Time ***There are reasons why we cannot know this. For one thing, even though Bible chronology clearly indicates that we have reached the mark of six thousand years since the time of the creation of the first human, Adam, it does not tell us just how long after that event the sixth creative day came to its close and the seventh creative period or "day," God’s great rest day, began. Genesis chapter two, verse three, says that Jehovah blessed and made sacred that "day," and it therefore seems reasonable that it will see within its bounds the removal of the wicked old order and the establishment of God’s righteous new order by means of the thousand-year reign of God’s Son. Thus there is reason for believing that that thousand-year period will form the closing part of that great rest day and will restore the earth and its inhabitants to a perfect state. That would enable God to say of that seventh day and its results—as he did of other creative days—that "it was good."—Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25, 31.
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  nancy drew

  aside from the fact that nothing happened in 1975 how can it be that 6000 years is correct? my question is where did the people that where living in peru at caral supe come from if they had a fully developed civilization in 3000 bc according to the latest info?
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  parakeet

  This is how the WTS's "new light" theory works in practice:

  It's nothing more than the same light switched on and off depending on scientific advances and public opinion.
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  OnTheWayOut

  I've always wondered if the societys date for Adam's creation, 4026 bce, was dependent on counting back from 607?

  how can it be that 6000 years is correct?

  Do not confuse people with the facts. Just go with the flow and accept what you are told.

  That's the real answer. Otherwise, people will start debating on what DNA has proven about our ancestories and how far back they become common, how the Americas got populated way more than 6000 years ago or how people (let alone animals) got to Australia and other islands during the last 6000 years. You will get people questioning the worldwide flood and suggesting that Genesis is not accurate history. Heck, you might get comments on how archaeology has pretty much proven there was no exodus and that the 12-tribe kingdom never really existed, but that Judah and Israel were always separate.

  So don't start the thread down such a terrible road of doubts and atheistic apostate sayings and thoughts. Just accept what you are told.
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  stillajwexelder

  Hey - dont give them any ideas - this is plausible enough where they could go for it
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  villabolo

  OTWO:

  "When the end failed to come in 1975, WTS offered their explanation that Eve was created some time after Adam, and that some time passed before she and Adam sinned."

  This was known as the "Adam and Eve Gap" and it was not offered as a rationalization for the failure of 1975, it was part of the doctrine before 1975. I remember Fred Franz giving a talk in Los Angeles around 1974 and he stated that the gap was going to be months or years but not decades in duration otherwise Adam would have been tempted into bestiality! I kid you not.

  I also performed the same calculations you did and refered to them satirically as the Adam, Eve, Cain, Able Gap. (And while our minds are on a flight of fancy I recall the movie Dr. Strangelove where General Turgidson talks about a Mine Shaft Gap with the Soviet Union)

  villabolo
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  OnTheWayOut

  Villabolo, the gap was both doctrine before 1975 and an excuse afterward. Before 1975, it was as little as a few months between the creation of Adam and Eve. After 1975, the gap must have been bigger than earlier thought. Don't bother looking in the Watchtower for the excuse, they hid from printing much about their prediction's failure. But the members were told that this is what happened.

  My thoughts are that they will do the same thing, but this time they will start with the assumption that the 6th creative day ended less than 40 (or so) years after Adam's creation, hence the Millenium Rule must be starting in the next 5 (or so) years. Then they can let 5 (or so) years go by and say, "Well, it could be a bit longer." After about 15 years (or so) they can start to introduce the math in a way that shows that it could have been "a few" decades but reasonably not much longer.

  Just when people are starting to wonder if the whole thing was failed, they can bring out an interview with some older anointed one who says he knew some of the anointed ones born by 1914, supporting their "overlap doctrine." They can say how this guy is not the only one, but that he is pretty old. He could even be one of the GB.
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  OnTheWayOut

  Blondie, thanks for the WT input. The one that really hits it squarely is this one:

  *** w76 7/15 p. 436 par. 17 Keeping a Balanced View of Time ***There are reasons why we cannot know this. For one thing, even though Bible chronology clearly indicates that we have reached the mark of six thousand years since the time of the creation of the first human, Adam, it does not tell us just how long after that event the sixth creative day came to its close and the seventh creative period or "day," God’s great rest day, began. Genesis chapter two, verse three, says that Jehovah blessed and made sacred that "day," and it therefore seems reasonable that it will see within its bounds the removal of the wicked old order and the establishment of God’s righteous new order by means of the thousand-year reign of God’s Son. Thus there is reason for believing that that thousand-year period will form the closing part of that great rest day and will restore the earth and its inhabitants to a perfect state. That would enable God to say of that seventh day and its results—as he did of other creative days—that "it was good."—Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25, 31.