Will someone answer these questions?

by Danni 38 Replies latest jw friends

  • Danni
    Danni

    Q 1: Where does the Bible say God's name is Jehovah.

    Q 2: What's an apostate

    Q 3: What is the "Evil slave vs Good slave" I read this ealier sounds more like a movie in Hollywood.

    Q 4: Why would any one want to be a Slave

    Q 5: Why not give a child blood to save their lives. Can this be proven in the Bible also

    Q 6: Where does the rule not to talk with family members who left from the Jehovah's Witness (or any ) relious group come from

    Q 7: How can a person isolate themselves if you chose to knock on peoples doors outside your religion

    Q 8: How can the watchtower society, control so many millions of people across the world from a head quaters in NY. This is something i am sure my chief would love to know he can't control us in the same city never mind across the world ........LOL

    Q 9: How can you call the world Evil you live in the world wouldn't that also make you evil

    Q 10: What do you have against law enforcment. Don't we serve you also. (okay that was personal)..

    Q 11: Does God hate cops . Will you show me where in the Holy Bible.

    I was only going to ask ten questions I don't want to turn anyone off. These are terms I am trying to familiarize myself with. To better understand Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Kylishlee: I appreciate the information. I couldn't write you back because your email is block, which is your right. You didn't have to show me letters to prove your point. I am aware of others who would exaggerate and blame everyone for their problems. I see this daily when I make arrest. Yes I would agree there's a lot of hate going around against the Jehovah's Witnesses. However, I must confess some of it seems to be for good reasons such as families cutting lose those who have left this religion.

    To make a reply to your other comments. No I didn't see any hate in the comments you made to others but at the same time you did say you sent out insults to those who you felt deserved it. That's no excuse either.

    Last I would not now or in the future accuse you of sending me hate mail. If I do I will be certian to post your letter. And in your words "not half ass" all of it :)

    Oh one last thing: You gave good advice of finding a neutral site about Jehovah's Witnesses however, you didn't say if you had one. If so please send the link I will be more than happy to look into it.

    Thanks for your honest letter.

  • gumby
    gumby

    Q 1: Where does the Bible say God's name is Jehovah.
    Q 2: What's an apostate

    I'll take these two.
    over 6900 times in the old testement the hebrew letters were used yhwh read from right to left.
    How these letter are to be pronounced is not known and yahweh is believed to be the proper one....not jehovah.
    Even the Jehovah's witnesess believe this to be true as explained in their own literature. They however demand that this term jehovah be used in their group or you would be ostrasized if you differed.

    An apostate to Jehovah's witnesess is one who was baptized in their faith and then later decides to believe another way.
    Once you are in their organisation you must believe all doctrinal beliefs that is decided by a handfull of men located in brooklyn NY.
    If you say you don't believe ALL the things that they teach and you persist in your ways after they have threatened you to stop....you will be shunned from their organisation and by all members and be labled 'AN APOSTATE'.
    PS. Aren't they a nice bunch?
    Any takers for the rest of the list?

  • teejay
    teejay

    Q 3: What is the "Evil slave vs Good slave" I read this ealier sounds more like a movie in Hollywood.

    Jesus told parables or illustrations - stories - to make certain points. In a couple of these stories he spoke of an Evil slave. This single slave would represent all the people who opposed Jesus' followers in years to come. The Good slave would represent true Christianss.

    The leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses have latched onto and changed this teaching. They have applied his words not to those who oppose or support all Christians but to mean those who support or oppose the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    ----------------------------------------------

    I'll be back to answer more if no one else does.

  • Danni
    Danni

    Gumby :not jehovah.
    Even the Jehovah's witnesess believe this to be true as explained in their own literature. They however demand that this term jehovah be used in their group or you would be ostrasized if you differed.

    If their own literature contridicts their beliefs it makes no sense to ostrasize others who refuse to use the term "Jehovah".

    Gumby: If you say you don't believe ALL the things that they teach and you persist in your ways after they have threatened you to stop....you will be shunned from their organisation and by all members and be labled 'AN APOSTATE'

    I see..Again this stuff sounds like what movies are made of.

  • Danni
    Danni

    teejay: Jesus told parables or illustrations - stories - to make certain points. In a couple of these stories he spoke of an Evil slave. This single slave would represent all the people who opposed Jesus' followers in years to come. The Good slave would represent true Christianss.

    ah-ha okayyy that's kind of funny. (not making fun of one's beliefs) I have never read that before. But I don't do a lot of bible reading . Maybe I should.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    : Q 1: Where does the Bible say God's name is Jehovah.

    From The NIV Interlinear Hebrew-English Old Testament we have the literal translation of Psalm 83:18:

    "And-let-them-know that you name-of-you Yahweh by-yourself Most-Hig over all-of the-earth".

    Note that the original Hebrew contains the term "name-of-you", so that "Yahweh" is said to be God's name. This name is called the Tetragrammaton is is usually transliterated as "YHWH" or "JHVH", depending on what the language scholar prefers. "Yahweh" is generally agreed as being close to the original pronunciation, which appears to have been lost. During the last 600 years or so, the name "Jehovah" gradually evolved as the translation from the Hebrew "JHVH" to English. These days, most scholarly Bible translations that use the divine name at all, rather than the traditional title "LORD", tend to use "Yahweh". An example is the New Jerusalem Bible.

    : Q 2: What's an apostate

    Depends on who you ask. The most general dictionary meaning is something like "someone who leaves a previous loyalty". However, applied literally that means that if you quit your job you're an apostate. More narrowly, the term is applied to those who leave a religious loyalty. However, that's not very helpful in the context of Jehovah's Witnesses because a Catholic who converts to the JWs is thereby an apostate. Narrowing it down further, the semi-secret JW elders' manual called "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" defines "apostasy" this way:

    Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defection, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its holidays or interfaith activities...

    Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated people...

    Person who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates...

    The Bible condemns the following:

    Causing divisions and promoting sects.

    This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity of the congregation or underming the confidence of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.

    What the above is really saying is that anyone who publicly disagrees with Watchtower teachings is an apostate. Clearly, the WTS definition is ridiculous and self-serving.

    : Q 3: What is the "Evil slave vs Good slave" I read this ealier sounds more like a movie in Hollywood.

    The notion is taken from Matthew 24:45-51. The Watchtower Society misapplies this simple illustration of what will happen to faithful Christians compared to what will happen to unfaithful ones, and turns it into a "prophecy" that a group of "anointed ones" would miraculously be appointed to oversee all of Christ's affairs on earth. Naturally they claim that JW leaders have been so appointed (in particular in 1919) and they call themselves "the faithful and discreet slave class". In contrast, they teach that "the evil slave class" is comprised of former JWs and Bible Students who were members of the "faithful slave class" but who "went bad" and left the JW organization. Of late, this teaching has been given little attention, since it's so obviously stretching the meaning of the Bible passage.

    : Q 4: Why would any one want to be a Slave

    You tell me.

    : Q 5: Why not give a child blood to save their lives. Can this be proven in the Bible also

    No, it cannot be proved from the Bible. The most that JWs can claim is that Acts 15 tells Christians to "abstain from blood". That obviously is referring to abstaining from eating blood, and since taking a transfusion is in no sense eating blood, Acts 15 cannot apply. However, beginning in the 1940s, the WTS began teaching that a blood transfusion was the same as eating blood, and gradually they made taking a transfusion a disfellowshipping offense. The 1940s "reasoning" was based on the ridiculous notion they had been teaching since the early 1920s that taking vaccinations was a form of eating blood and violated the proscription in Genesis 9:4 about not eating "flesh with its blood". They abandoned the proscription on vaccinations in the early 1950s, when various Watchtower officials found that their international travel was being hampered by lack of vaccination. Why they didn't give up on the equally ridiculous blood transfusion ban is beyond knowing. Today, JW leaders are reduced to claiming that their ideas about transfusions are to be followed because of their appointment "over all of Christ's belongings" on earth in 1919, which allows them to dictate to "God's people" what they will and will not believe.

    : Q 6: Where does the rule not to talk with family members who left from the Jehovah's Witness (or any ) relious group come from

    From a misapplication of a few scriptures such as 1 John 2:19, 2 John 9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, Titus 3:10-11, 2 Timothy 2:16-18, Matthew 10:34-38 and Matthew 18:15-17.

    : Q 7: How can a person isolate themselves if you chose to knock on peoples doors outside your religion

    I don't understand your question.

    : Q 8: How can the watchtower society, control so many millions of people across the world from a head quaters in NY. This is something i am sure my chief would love to know he can't control us in the same city never mind across the world ........LOL

    You have to understand the indoctrination process. When a person gradually comes to accept the teachings of JWs, he or she inevitably comes upon contradictory information or things that they would normally reject as ridiculous. But as they move along, various other JW teachings often convince them to put aside these reservations and eventually forget about them altogether. Thus it is the person who is willing to put aside his reasoning ability and conscience and accept what he is told only on the basis of claimed spiritual authority who eventually becomes a Jehovah's Witness. At that point, the person has fully accepted the claim that JW leaders speak for God, and so they do everything they're told, just as they would if God told them.

    : Q 9: How can you call the world Evil you live in the world wouldn't that also make you evil

    Not really. JWs claim that they "are no part of the world" and live a socially isolated life.

    : Q 11: Does God hate cops . Will you show me where in the Holy Bible.

    What does this have to do with JWs?

    You'd best be very careful of this Kylishlee. He or she demonstrates many of the horrible traits that make Jehovah's Witnesses a true cult.

    : Oh one last thing: You gave good advice of finding a neutral site about Jehovah's Witnesses however, you didn't say if you had one. If so please send the link I will be more than happy to look into it.

    Almost all sites dealing with JWs are clearly either pro or anti. JWs tend to create this situation by claiming that everyone who is not 100% on their side, to the extent of accepting that JW leaders speak for God, are their enemies. People who one constantly refers to as enemies eventually become enemies in fact.

    AlanF

  • Unclepenn1
    Unclepenn1

    Danni wrote >

    ah-ha okayyy that's kind of funny. (not making fun of one's beliefs) I have never read that before. But I don't do a lot of bible reading . Maybe I should

    Yes Danni, you should. But do not look to an organization to tell you what it means. It speaks for itself.

    Penn

  • gumby
    gumby

    Thanks for showing me and teejay up allan. Next time we will try harder and answer better.

  • teejay
    teejay

    Damn, Alan!!

    I coulda done that, too! I mean, give Danni a thorough, well thought-out and reasonable answer (with scriptural references) to the question. Dang! Did you have to go and make mine look so sadly amateurish in comparison? I mean, was that really necessary? Sheeesh!

    Just kidding. Very well done. I wasn't looking forward to the exercise but was willing to do what I could to help. You've removed a great burden from my Saturday's 'list of things to do.' Thanks.

    Peace,
    tj

  • You Know
    You Know

    I will answer your questions in detail, but I am pressed for time right now. Check back on the forum tomorrow. / You Know

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