How SAFE are children in the Kingdom Hall?

by wobble 14 Replies latest jw experiences

  • wobble
    wobble

    This topic is prompted by the recent one on abuse being an isolated incident.

    The Thread title is not that good, I mean to ask, how safe in the entire Org.

    The Charities Commission publishes these instructions for implementation here in the U.K :

    "Procedures and systems provide clear step-by-step guidance on what to do in different circumstances and they clarify roles and responsibilities. Systems for recording information and dealing with complaints are also needed to ensure implementation and compliance. Child protection procedures should be linked with the Local Safeguarding Children Board's procedures or the All Wales Child Protection Procedures, as relevant.

    The procedures and systems should include:

    • A named person (and deputy) with a clearly defined role and responsibilities in relation to child protection, appropriate to the level at which s/he operates.
    • A description of what child abuse is, and the procedures for how to respond to it where there are concerns about a child's safety or welfare or concerns about the actions of a trustee, staff member or volunteer. Relevant contact details for children's services, police, health and NSPCC helplines should be available.
    • A process for recording incidents, concerns and referrals and storing these securely in compliance with relevant legislation and kept for a time specified by your insurance company.
    • Guidance on confidentiality and information sharing, legislation compliant, and which clearly states that the protection of the child is the most important consideration.
    • A code of behaviour for trustees, staff and volunteers. The consequences of breaching the code are clear and linked to disciplinary and grievance procedures.
    • Safe recruitment, selection and vetting procedures that include checks into the eligibility and the suitability of all trustees, staff and volunteers who have direct or indirect (e.g. helpline, email) contact with children. In the case of trustees, because of their position within the charity, we take the view that whenever there is a legal entitlement to obtain a CRB check in respect of such a trustee, a check should be carried out. This goes beyond circumstances where the trustee comes into contact with children.
    • A complaints procedure which is an open and well publicised way in which adults and children can voice concerns about unacceptable and/or abusive behaviour towards children.
    • Systems to ensure that all staff and volunteers working with children are monitored and supervised and that they have opportunities to learn about child protection in accordance with their roles and responsibilities.
    • Requirements for trustees, staff and volunteers to learn about child protection in accordance with and as appropriate to their roles and responsibilities.

    It is important that each charity's safeguarding policy and procedures are tailored to the type of contact that the charity has with children and it also needs to take into account any particular vulnerabilities of the children with whom the charity has contact; for example disabled children who are at increased risk of abuse; babies and toddlers who are vulnerable due to their age and dependence on adults;"

    Is all of this done in all the Congos that are registered charities in the U.K ?

    What about elsewhere in the World, and at conventions etc ?

    I fear that abuse is still too easy to get away with in "God's spirit directed" organization.

    Love

    Wobble

  • nugget
    nugget

    I don't think that children are particularly safe in the Kingdom Halls. Elders do not undergo CRB checks even though they have contact with minors and go door to door. The society send out policy documents that relate more to the minimum required in law and how to keep Jehovahs name above reproach. The JC structure means that if someone seems sorry then congregation members may never know that their children are at risk from someone they may associate with.

    It is also worth noting elders are not trained counselors or experts in combatting child abuse, they are unlettered and ordinary and as such often find themselves out of their depth. Members of the R&F put trust in them over and above professionals which can lead to long term harm. The main problem is that congregations don't really appreciate the shortcomings until they are affected.

    It is sad that a religon that promotes itself as God's spokeperson seems to be more concerned with bad publicity than protection of it's most vulnerable.

  • dissed
    dissed

    After learning this on the JWN site, my wife and me can't wait to ask this of the next car gang that comes to our house.

    "Can you say for sure that a molester is not in your congregation or even in your car?"

    What many of the local JW's probably have no knowledge of...

    I personally know of a long time Elder in the local congregation was removed, and D'fd for molesting two children in the KH. He was never turned in to the authorities. It was only announced that he was D'fd.

    This happened 14 years ago and one of those children is a local serving Elder. We've been out for 13 years and I don't know if he ever came back. But if he did, few would know of the story and would not be in a position to protect their children.

  • fokyc
    fokyc

    Children are NOT safe in the KH environment.

    In the UK the procedures laid down by the Charities Commission

    are just NOT compatible with KH organisation

    with a clearly defined role and responsibilities

    Nothing in the KH is clearly defined

    A complaints procedure which is an open and well publicised

    Can you imagine anything being open?

    The WTBTS is nothing like a real charity,

    it's only got away with it by lying about what it does.

    fokyc

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Some dangers:

    (1) They could be abused. Pedophiles are numerous there, but spankings and beatings, along with severe threats of more of the same when they get home (for petty articles) are the most common form of abuse.

    (2) They could get hurt. There is really nowhere for children to play, and they could trip on a chair, a cord, or the stage. They could get hit by a car en route to the Kingdumb Hell from the parking lot, or to the parking lot from the Kingdumb Hell. This risk is worst during the REJECT Jesus Party.

    (3) They could become sick on the suit dry cleaning fumes that accumulate in the Kingdumb Hell, or because they are up way past their bedtime on test night.

    (4) They will be indoctrinated with bullsxxx that will mess up their minds.

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    prolly a bit safer now theyve done away with the book study night.

    http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/investigations/charrisk.asp

    "Major risks" are those risks which have a high likelihood of occurring and would, if they occurred, have a severe impact on operational performance, achievement of aims and objectives or could damage the reputation of the charity, changing the way trustees, supporters or beneficiaries might deal with the charity. Risk management should therefore not be seen purely as a compliance issue nor as being solely focused on the prevention of disaster. The process enables trustees to focus on the management of risks that would prevent the charity achieving its strategic objectives. In so doing, charities are able to take opportunities and develop with an understanding of the risks faced, and with confidence that reasonable steps have been taken to manage them.

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/supportingcharities/vicarious.asp

    the charities commission is actually starting to nail it down quite well.

    and volunteers can also be classed as employees when it comes to insurance purposes, not covering your volunteers properly

    with insurance can cause the trustees of the charity big problems if theyve neglected to take correct steps for insurance purposes.

    the days of pleading charitable status and 'volunteers' to get out of paying compensation is coming to an end.

  • looloo
    looloo

    does anyone have a number for the charity commision ? my daughters abuser was a min servant in the early 1990s , he abused a girl in the cong (a friend of his daughters ) and was "reprooved " around the same time my sister in law was disfellowshipped for smoking !!!! of course he went on to abuse again and raped one girl from the age of 13 untill she was 18 (another friend of his daughters.) he used to threaten to tell her mother what she had been "up to " if she did not do as he said , at the same time as this abuse he was having a relationship with a 17 year old pioneer (friend of his daughters ) who was seeing him till age 20 when they both got found out and disfellowshipped ! i went on to become close friends with this girl when i stopped attending meetings and my daughter was 7 , he eventually raped her age 13 on a regular basis and caused her horrendous damage mentally and physically . it came out in court , that the elders were aware of what he was but no parents were warned , i even asked an elders daughter why he never answered at meetings once , but was given no response ! my daughter would have been saved if the perp had been reported to the police back in the 90s instead of reprooved ! and parents should have been warned , the elders told me they begged the first victims parents to report it to the police but they did not want to , im not sure i believe it though . my childs abuser was a "nice " helpful "friend " or so i thought , so from my personal experiance i do not believe any child can be safe at a kingdom hall , where people take people on face value and believe all dubs are trustwourthy and all the "bad " people are on the outside .

  • truthseekeriam
    truthseekeriam

    I know children are not safe in the KH.

    I personally saw a molester who was out of jail on a million dollar bail awaiting trial sitting at the KH twice a week all smiles as his daughter brought little ones to sit on her lap right next to him. Of course the parents had no idea of what was going on. When I asked one of the elders if they knew of this man being out on bail? They said they did, and they were watching him closely.

    Yeah Right!! That's watching him closely??

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