jw blamed her daughter when grandaughter was raped !

by looloo 26 Replies latest members adult

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  jordan12

  I know two people that were DF'd for getting raped.
  One of them was a 16 year old girl that had been raped regularly by her father since she was 10.
  Yeah, that's right, raped from the age of 10. Dad and daughter were both DF'd for immorality.

  That's a rather obvious lie.

  You know very well that elders have to strictly follow the instructions in the Elders' Manual which states quite clearly that someone who is raped is not guilty of fornication. Elders have to justify their disfellowshipping decisions in writing to the Branch.

  In any case, unless you were there at the judicial committee meeting, you could not possibly know the reason why anyone was disfellowshipped.

  Mom was DF'd too, for wilful disobediance. She rounded up her kids and left his sorry ass, when the elders told her not to.

  Er, I think not. Again, you have know way of knowing why she was disfellowshipped. No-one gets disfellowshipped simply for separating from their spouse. That is complete fantasy. I don't believe a word of it.

  What the society claims to do is not the same as what they do.

  Are you suggesting that the elders don't follow the elders' manual but that they have another secret rule book that tells them to disfellowship rape victims and women that leave their husbands? That is paranoid.
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  cofty

  Jordan12 you are all over this forum denying the borg's disgraceful record of covering up child abuse.

  Why not familiarise yourself with the facts before you embarrass yourself any further. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Get educated about it and shut up until you do
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  aSphereisnotaCircle

  Jordon

  just keep those fingers stuffed deep in your ears, and keep your eyes squeezed tight shut, and say it with me, like a mantra

  its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth

  its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth

  its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth its the truth

  And never ever ever, let anyone tell you otherwise
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  cantleave

  What Nugget said was based on personal experience. Regardless of what is said in magazines elders interpretation is based on policy files and personal judgement. If the rules have been applied differently in other congregations then good for them but there is no consistency across congregations.

  In the experience quoted the person was not told whether the committee saw them as a victim or a sinner and the questions gave no indication of the status. The victim had been tortured for years over feelings of guilt over a sexual assault and rape found out later that her mother was told by the elders on the committee that they had never thought her daughter was guilty of sin. They never told the daughter that and put her under restrictions so she always felt guilty of some wrong doing. To suggest that elders are benign or in any way capable of dealing with these issues is disingenuous and insulting. They are inept and cause immense mental anguish and distress through incompetence and a lack of understanding and insensitivity.

  If there are perfect elders out there then great, but they are not everywhere. The magazine is a blunt tool for communication what the elders need is a course on rape counselling and proper training. Can you really suggest that a sentence in a watchtower in any way compensates for decent training?

  Stop spouting watchtower drivel and pap and wake up to the harm this organisation does. An apology would not go amiss.
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  Mythbuster

  You forgot the rest of the fine article you quoted. My question still stands.

  *** w03 2/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
  In understanding the application of Deuteronomy 22:23-27, we must realize that this brief account does not cover all possible situations. For example, it does not comment on the situation where the attacked woman cannot scream because she is mute, unconscious, or paralyzed with fear or is forcibly prevented from screaming by a hand or tape over her mouth. However, since Jehovah is able to weigh all factors, including motives, he deals with understanding and justice in such cases, for "all his ways are justice." (Deuteronomy 32:4) He is aware of what actually took place and of the efforts the victim put forth to fight off her attacker. Therefore, a victim who was unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah's hands.-Psalm 55:22; 1 Peter 5:7.

  motives?

  *** w03 2/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
  Even in the sad case where a woman is overpowered and raped, her struggle and screaming for help is not in vain. On the contrary, it establishes that she did all she possibly could to resist her attacker. (Deuteronomy 22:26) Despite going through this ordeal, she can still have an undefiled conscience, self-respect, and the assurance that she is clean in God's eyes. The horrifying experience might leave her with emotional wounds, but knowing that she did all she could to resist the attack will greatly contribute to her gradual healing.

  This is a sick attitude for an organization to have towards women!
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  cantleave

  Jordan12 talks from his / her wrong orifice, forgetting that many of us on this were elders and have experience of what really happens. The policy files and the marginal notes in the flock book are the real protocol for elders to follow not what is written the sanitised articles in the Awake!. a magazine for public consumption pre recruitment.
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  Georgiegirl

  Actually, I think it's probably more of a case that either a: Jordan12 is very young or b: hasn't been a JW for much longer than about 10 years or so.

  Jordan12, I have to say I do appreciate your calm and measured tone and I have to congratulate you on your spelling and grammar - most JWs we get here have little to no education and it's almost embarrassing to read their posts. I also appreciate the fact that (at least on the threads I've read ) - you've responded calmly - most of us can appreciate a good debate. So, thank you.

  However, you will find that the majority on here have first-hand experience in many of these matters. Many of us were in the organization for 20, 30, 40 years. Many served as elders, pioneers, missionaries, etc. Although you will find some posts who are clearly of the "chicken little" variety, I would ensure you to take a good look at the history of ANY organization that claims to be directly appointed by God.

  As someone who was molested by an elder who went on to molest for another 20 years, I can assure you personally that the policies stated here were absolutely true. Policies have only changed recently - and in response to media coverage and because of court cases where the society was directly implicated. Rape victims were (and still are) subjected to JCs to ensure a rape did actually occur.

  And finally, please note that every single elder can verify that handwritten notes are taken during elder training meetings (like the recent training in NJ) that are NOT part of the "official" elder handbook. So please don't think the sanitized version of the book is the final answer - because it is not.

  Welcome to the board.