Do You Believe that God Wrote the Ten Commandments? (page 3)

cantleave

Do I believe God wrote them? Let me think about this for a second................NO!

According to the Midrash, Jethro (Moses's F-i-L) was a magician-advisor to Pharao and a sage who kept the sacred staff that was passed down from Adam to Noah to Abraham. Moses tells us Jethro is the "people's eyes".

It was Jethro who inspired the Jewish system of rabbis and courts that continues to this day.

It is also said that the soul of Cain was reincarnated in Jethro.

After Moses led the exodus of the Israelites out of Egypt, Jethro came to meet with Moses, bringing his wife, Zipporah, and his children. Jethro, advised Moses on how to appoint subordinate judges and rulers to handle the multiplicity of duties over thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens. It would appear that Jethro devised the pyramidal system of rulerships.

Because Jethro was so very experienced in these matters of 'how to run a kingdom" I suspect that he had a lot to do with writing the laws.

OnTheWayOut

I know this is a controversial subject, but it is what the thread asks for-

It is pretty clear that there was no "exodus" from Egypt, no 10 plagues, no group of a million or even nearly so many Jews as slaves in Egypt, no wandering in the desert for 40 years. If archaeology can pretty much nail that down (it's well-established but the die-hards will say it ain't so I keep that in mind as I post) then it only seems sensible to say there was no Moses on the mountain getting the commandments from God.

cameo-d

OTWO: "It is pretty clear that there was no "exodus" from Egypt, no 10 plagues, no group of a million or even nearly so many Jews as slaves in Egypt, no wandering in the desert for 40 years."

Then do you see this story as a type of teaching or instructional allegory? What is the purpose of it? What convinces you that none of this is true or based on any historical fact? Is it simply because archeologists have not disclosed anything to your satisfaction?

Twitch

No, we wrote everything in existence.

moshe

Judaism is a religion of tradition and it is also continually evolving with each new generation. Justice was swift over 2000 years ago, due to the lack of prisons, police and lawyers. The laws of the Jews took those limitations into account.

OnTheWayOut

To me:

Then do you see this story as a type of teaching or instructional allegory? What is the purpose of it? What convinces you that none of this is true or based on any historical fact? Is it simply because archeologists have not disclosed anything to your satisfaction?

The Genesis stories are the legends that every religion creates to give birth to their people or nation or whatever. But the exodus and the giving of laws was something more. Check out the book THE BIBLE UNEARTHED for some thoughts on this. It appears that Josiah, the king of the jerk-water country of Judah, had higher ambitions to rule all of the area known as Israel. While Judah was always small, Israel had been conquered then abandoned by Asyria. That created a vacuum of power.

Having the experts writing of a grander time when all of Israel and Judah were united and overcame that evil Egypt (the other rival to fill the current vacuum) was possibly an attempt to have a more peaceful takeover. "We have a common bond, a common ancestor, a common God." The laws were probably based on some of their laws, but the priests of YHWH were able to expand such laws and did so to try to control people.

I know that's all controversial. Don't just ask for proof. Experts are working on it and some of the details will be changed as they try to solve more riddles. Some of it will just be wrong. Still, it's a whole lot closer to truth than accepting that the Bible is literal or the word of God.

It is not simply because archaeologists have not disclosed something to satisfy me that the Bible account is real. I know the believer will say that no evidence is not evidence of no truth. But it isn't like that. They have evidence to support their theories. But I only tell you what I believe because you ask. I don't want to argue over it and I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Balsam

Question everything, dig, dig, dig until your satisfied.

pixiesticks

Sylvia. He's right if by "pile of crap" he means not written by who it claims to be written by... There is a substantial amount of very solid evidence, now widely excepted by most non-biased biblical scholars. Again, I will point to 'Who Wrote the Bible' by Richard Elliott Friedman as a great starting point for you if you are actually interested at all. The Documentary Theory makes extremely good sense and is very difficult to refute considering the amount of evidence to support it.
As well as that, there is much evidence to disprove many of the most important Biblical stories. I think the Creation story has now been well and truly debunked. Many Christians are forced to accept evolution for the sheer amount of evidence to support it (although they still think that God set it into motion, this still renders the Adam and Eve's story either allegorical or completely untrue) and the story of the flood (for which there is no archeological proof as there should be if it actually happened, as well as many of the aspects of it being completely impossible).

But what about you? Do you have any solid, provable evidence that the Bible IS written/inspired by God at any point? And no, "The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true" isn't a valid argument, it's circular reasoning and it proves nothing.

cyberjesus

He did write them, but he copied from another Gods since there was no copyright back then

Do You Believe that God Wrote the Ten Commandments?

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