Is THIS the best of all POSSIBLE worlds? (page 2)

thetrueone

God's personal brand are called Toyotas

He promises perfect performance and reliability for eternity.

but with a liability clause :

" Use at your own risk, builder takes no responsibility for personal damages or injury "

Is this the best of all possible worlds? Yes, given that mankind is a greedy animal that will rape his own children for the fun of it and kill his neighbor just to get his land. Why should God give such greedy animals more than he has given the other, less intelligent, animals of this world? We are all in the same boat, man and beast. No reason not to be.

Terry

Terry, off topic

Just wondering if you have read God Against the Gods by Johnathan Kirsh?

I have the book but I've never read it. Should I pounce on it now?

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Is this the best of all possible worlds? Yes, given that mankind is a greedy animal that will rape his own children for the fun of it and kill his neighbor just to get his land. Why should God give such greedy animals more than he has given the other, less intelligent, animals of this world? We are all in the same boat, man and beast. No reason not to be.

I think you may possibly be missing the point.........IF man is all those things you've listed and man was designed and built by a Creator and Designer-----are you saying the Creator and Designer DID A GOOD JOB??

Man cannot be other than what he is. Were he other than what he is it would only be because his Creator and Designer made him other.

The alternative is.......

Man has chaos in his society because man comes from chaos: Evolution. He has been fashione by a survival mechanism of BLUNT FORCE.

believingxjw

My male dog will mount a female in heat. He doesn't give much thought, he just does it. There is no law in our country against a male dog mounting a female dog, they are not responsible for what they do. But there is a law against a man mounting a woman against her will. Unlike the male dog he knows what he is doing and is held responsible.

We are "designed" to know better. We are "designed" to be responsible for our actions. Our own laws recognize this.

Yizuman

Everything man designs is designed to function properly.

Properly would mean IT DOES WHAT IT IS DESIGNED to do.

Can man design a unbreakable design? Does not age, does not wither and does not require repairs or any kind intervention for the design from wear and tear, aging and so on?

Yiz

BurnTheShips

Everything man designs is designed to function properly.

And what are we designed to do?

Demanding of any invention that it do what it is NOT DESIGNED TO DO is a failure of the designer.
The "invention" as you call it, did precisely what it was designed to do.
Choose an option for itself. This, as you call it, chaos based decision mechanism, is only chaos to those that don't have a complete knowledge of the whole system.
We can't predict the outcome of a physical event or perfectly model a system without knowing all variables and all the rules for their interaction.
We call large systems chaotic, because we are incapable of knowing all the variables, and we haven't reduced all the rules to mathematical formulas.
Our weather and climate are good examples of this. The best we can do is approximations.
Our knowledge is limited. Things seem chaotic from our own point of view!
I'm talking about an OPTION to screw it up....why allow that OPTION in?

There is no OPTION without it's NEGATION!

BTS

joelingeorgia

this is the only world that is the possible outcome of all the things that have happened on the planet.

however, we each have the power to make the world infinitesimally better or worse with each action

we take.

ldrnomo

We are "designed" to know better. We are "designed" to be responsible for our actions. Our own laws recognize this.

This is such a general thing to say, because being responsible is reletive. Sure there are laws that society has set up but those legal requirments have been set up to be general in most countries. So some may say that being responsible only amounts to treating others as you would want to be treated, uM that sounds familiar. For example, if I were a married man that wanted my wife to have a sexual experience with another man would I fall on the responsible side of the line if I had a sexual experience with another woman. Some may say, "yes but she may be hurt by this" and yes that is a consideration so the line for me would have to be adjusted to accomidate this feeling because I do not want my wife to be hurt. So each one of us is designed with a specific individual software program that gives us the freedom to DO WHAT WE WANT.

LD

purplesofa

Terry, off topic

Just wondering if you have read God Against the Gods by Johnathan Kirsh?

I have the book but I've never read it. Should I pounce on it now?

IDK, you might find it interesting. Still off topic though

Dogpatch

Norman Geisler is the most popular Christian theologian on this subject.

Specious!

Is THIS the best of all POSSIBLE worlds?

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