How might one today countermand Jehovah's word?

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  • wannabe
    wannabe

    How might one today countermand Jehovah's Word?

    We have an example in the Genesis account, set by satan himself, how one today could become guilty of countermanding, a statement, Law or command, of Jehovah God.

    Jehovah had told the pair in the Garden: "If you eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil, you will surely die." In conversation with the Woman Eve, who informed satan that God told them not to touch that Tree, that If they did, they would positively die." Right away satan contradicts Jehovah's words, and tells her, she will "not positively die." With those words satan revoked, or resinded, or cancelled out the words Jehovah had clearly spoken to the Woman; and by doing so, elevated himself over and above Jehovah God. Making himself God! Since the Pair allowed themselves to be misled by satan, and did his bidding rather that Jehovah's, their worship now reverted over to satan the devil, making satan the god of the World, by countermanding the words of Jehovah God. As a direct result of that Mankind has experience 6000 years of pain suffering and death. A terrible lesson is learned from that. How very serious a matter it is to contradict or countermand anything Jehovah has spoken.

    Since, as I said, satan is god of this World now, it would follow, like Eve was misled, and did his bidding, satan would have those today he has misled, follow their god's lead, and countermand or contradict Jehovah's word at this time. Just how might that be seen? We know, and now, why, Jesus called satan "a liar, and the Father of the Lie." Being a Father, naturally he would have Children, who like their Father would be liars like him; and Like their Father would not hesitate to contradict or countermand Jahovah's word to day, by teaching doctrines of demon's.

    We might begin this by looking at how Jehovah has clearly identified himself as being, and compare the following scriptures with the doctrine of the Trinity: "One God in three Persons"

    10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
    "and my servant whom I have chosen,
    so that you may know and believe me
    and understand that I am he.
    Before me no god was formed,
    nor will there be one after me." {Isaiah 43:10 NIV}

    8 "Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
    Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
    You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."{Isaiah 44:8 NIV}

    4 "Since ancient times no one has heard,
    no ear has perceived,
    no eye has seen any God besides you,
    who acts on behalf of those who wait for him."{Isaiah 64:4 NIV}

    10 "Have we not all one Father Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?"{Malachi 2:10 NIV}

    29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." {Mark 12:29 NIV}

    32"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him." {Mark 12:32 NIV}

    19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone." {Luke 18:19 NIV}

    2 "There is no one holy like the LORD;
    there is no one besides you;
    there is no Rock like our God."
    {1 Samuel 2:1 NIV}

    22 "How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears." {2 Samuel 7:22 NIV}

    20 "There is no one like you, O LORD, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears." {1 Chronicles 17:20 NIV}

    25 "To whom will you compare me?
    Or who is my equal?" says the Holy One"{Isaiah 40:25 NIV}.

    "To whom will you compare me or count me equal?
    To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?"

    {Isaiah 46:5 NIV}

    14 '"or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth." {Exodus 9:14 NIV}

    19 "Like a lion coming up from Jordan's thickets
    to a rich pastureland,
    I will chase Edom from its land in an instant.
    Who is the chosen one I will appoint for this?
    Who is like me and who can challenge me?
    And what shepherd can stand against me?"
    {Jeremiah 49:19 NIV}

    As you read the preceding list, did you see how in any way Jehovah referred to himself as One God in three Persons?

    "To Whom will you compare me." "Who is like me?" "No one like me." "No Equal." None to compare." "No eye has seen any God like you." "No other Rock! I know not one."

    Like satan theTrinitarians countermand Jehovah's word, clearly contradicting how Jehovah has revealed himself to be, as One single God, with no equal. Not three God's in one God.

    His own Son attested to the truth of this, for Jesus himself said there was only one that was good, and he made it a point to tell them it wasn't himself.

    What about those who teach the immortality of the human soul? Was Adam created with an immortal soul? Because for us to have an immortal soul Adam would have had to have one. The reason being everything Adam possessed he passed on to all Mankind. What, though, was it he passed on to all of us?

    7"And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul." {Genesis 2:7 DT}

    45"Thus also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit."{1 Corinthians 15:45 DT}

    So, the first Man Adam wasn't given a Soul! He was created as such. How do we now he was in no way immortal? Nor could he have been? The next scripture explains that:

    22 "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life." {Genesis 3:22-24 NIV}

    Adam was cut off from the Tree of life, and to ensure he didn't get to it Jehovah placed a Cherubin Angel with a flaming sword to gaurd that Tree from Adam so that he would, or never could ever reach it.

    Right there in the Garden of Eden, the trampling of divine sovereignty began, that Jesus mentioned at Luke 21:24 when satan the devil countermanded the clear words of Jehovah God, and in so doing, came himself to be, god of this World. Adam and Eve were his first two worshippers, having misled Eve as he did.

    Adam was created a Mortal Soul subject to death, and because of his disobedience, now, we all are dying creatures. "If you touch that Tree you will positively die." He touched it! He died! The Soul died!

    Those that teach this immortal Soul Doctrine are also countermanding Jehovah's clear statements of truth, and in that the soul dies those teaching the Hell-Fire Doctrine are also countermanding Jehovah's clear statements of truth, because if there's no immortal soul, and the soul can and does die there's nothing to be tormented in any fiery Hell. It is as Jehovah said it was to Adam:

    19 "By the sweat of your face
    you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground,
    for out of it you were taken; for you are dust,
    and to dust you shall return."
    {Genesis 3:19 ESV }

    So, all of us, like Adam, when we die we return to the dust. The dust cannot be tormented in any fiery Hot place, called Hell. "For dust you are, and to dust you will return."

    29 "When You hide Your face,
    they are terrified;
    when You take away their breath,
    they die and return to the dust."
    {Psalm 104:29 HCSB}

    4 "Hisbreath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish." {Psalm 146:4 ASV}

    5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead don't know anything. There is no longer a reward for them because the memory of them is forgotten." {Eccl;esiastes 9:5 HCSB}

    10 "Whatever your hands find to do, do with [all] your strength, because there isno work, planning, knowledge, or wisdom in Sheol where you are going." {Ecclesiastes 9:10 HCSB}

    When we die, we become incapable of breathing, when we can no longer breath, we die, and as Jehovah told the perfect Man Adam, back to the dust we go. When our thoughts perish, we don't know anything in the common grave which the Hebrew word Sheol denotes. From there we, hopefully, await the resurrection from the grave. {John 5:28,29} {Acts 24:15}

    satan, those that teach the Trinity, the Immortal Soul, the Torment in a Fiery Hell, will all join hands when satan and his demons are thrown into the Lake of Fire. For stepping out of their assigned place, and countermanding, or contradicting the spoken words of Jehovah God. {Matthew 25:41} {Revelation 20:7-10}

    Noun

    1.countermand - a contrary

    command cancelling or reversing a previous command

    bid, bidding, command, dictation - an authoritative direction or instruction to do something Verb1.countermand - cancel officially; "He revoked the ban on smoking"; "lift an embargo"; "vacate a death sentence"

    repeal, rescind, annul, revoke, vacate, reverse, overturn, lift

    go back on, renege, renege on, renegue on - fail to fulfill a promise or obligation; "She backed out of her promise"

    strike down, cancel - declare null and void; make ineffective; "Cancel the election results"; "strike down a law"

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    How might one today countermand Jehovah's Word?

    By lying about it and it's meaning. For example, misdefining simple and clear words like "generation" and "fruits" in order to promote your organization's own agenda or by adding to the requirements set forth in the Bible (love God and love neighbor) with thousands of pages of Pharisaical rules and regulations. By 'encouraging fine works' via threats, fear, and guilt. I could go on but I'm getting annoyed just thinking about it.

  • bohm
    bohm

    "How might one today countermand Jehovah's Word?"

    Well, here is one path:

    In the norse mythology, man was created when a goat licked on a block of salt. We also learn that the world is flat and surrounded by a vast ocean. Today, sattelite information give us reason to believe that story should not be understood litterally, and sow doubt if the entire norse mythology may just be a story.

    The biblical mythology tells us that the entire world was covered in water about 3400 years ago. Do you agree that various scientific fields, in particular geology which precisely is about studying how the earth has changed though the ages, may help us understand if this event actually took place or not?

  • wannabe
    wannabe

    bohm!

    The Biblical Mthyology you speak about is the inspired word of Jehovah God, and absolutely no myth. It's actual fact! Certainly during the period of the flood this World was covered with water. That has been scientifically proven, but who needs science to back up what Jehovah tells us? If he tells us and he does, that it actually occured, well take it to the Bank, it did. He's told us many other things that occured, and checking them all out you learn that they did occur. Take the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70Ad for instance. Jesus foretold it would occur, and it did. Right down to the wall of pointed stakes Titus built around Jerusalem. It is known he ripped up Ten Miles of Forest to get the job done. It is also on record 1 Million were put to the sword at that time. You want another very accurate Prophecy? Check out 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and after reading it take a look around you in this World and note how most people are behaving. That prophecy is so accurate its frightening. The biggest problem with people today, is they don't want to see what's staring them right in the face, because they KNOW the Bible is right on the money and it scaring hell out of them. So easy for them to stick their head in a bag, and act like they don't see anything. Hopefully at some point they'll all get rid of that bag, and open wide their eyes. Wannabe

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Certainly during the period of the flood this World was covered with water. That has been scientifically proven

    REALLY!!!!! Please enlighten me as to what this Scientific Evidence is!!!?

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    I would also suggest picking up a history book of the early Roman Empire. Human behavior is cyclical.

  • bohm
    bohm

    "The Biblical Mthyology you speak about is the inspired word of Jehovah God and absolutely no myth. It's actual fact!"

    That is what we are trying to determine.

    Certainly during the period of the flood this World was covered with water. That has been scientifically proven,

    That is new to me. Can you provide some of the scientific evidence you build that conclusion upon?

    but who needs science to back up what Jehovah tells us?

    I believe it was Odin who gave us the Eddas, according to the Norse mythology, but i doubt you would accept his word as a proof the earth is flat?

    If he tells us and he does, that it actually occured, well take it to the Bank, it did.

    See above

    He's told us many other things that occured, and checking them all out you learn that they did occur. Take the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70Ad for instance.

    We are getting off-topic. Your topic was one could sow doubt about the truth of a litteral reading of the bible. What i proposed was that one could look at the scientific predictions the bible made regarding the flood and then compare them to facts. Thats all i proposed, and what i asked about (notice i made no conclusions regarding the validity of the bible!), and all i asked was if you agreed that comparing some of the bibles claims regarding noahs ark to facts, for example by looking at geology, was a valid way to test its truth-value. I hope you agree with that?

    The biggest problem with people today, is they don't want to see what's staring them right in the face, because they KNOW the Bible is right on the money and it scaring hell out of them. So easy for them to stick their head in a bag, and act like they don't see anything. Hopefully at some point they'll all get rid of that bag, and open wide their eyes. Wannabe

    Well, i dont want to be mean to you (WELCOME TO THE BOARD ANYWAY!), so i hope you believe me when i say i write this with no bad intentions, and with no bad will towards you or that you has so deep faith in the bible:

    "The biggest problem with people today, is they don't want to see what's staring them right in the face, because they KNOW the Bible is right ... So easy for them to stick their head in a bag, and act like they don't see anything. Hopefully at some point they'll all get rid of that bag, and open wide their eyes."

    (SORRY! could not resist!)

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    I think one of the problems is whether or not God is a Trinity and whether your salvation depends on the acceptance of it or not. Are we countermanding by our acceptance or rejection.

  • wantingtruth
    wantingtruth

    Check out 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and after reading it take a look around you in this World and note how most people are behaving. That prophecy is so accurate its frightening.

    Unfortunately BUT true ,

    the inspired words in 2 Tim 3:1-5 do describe exactly the situation within "God's earthly/visible organisation" at the time of the end !

    Why ?

    because , for long time now (from 1942 onward) there wasn't any "revelation "

    Proverbs 29:

    18. Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint;
    but blessed is he who keeps the law.

    wantingtruth

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    The story about the world being worse now than ever is baloney. The world's never been better. EVER.

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