Amazes me how elders act.....

by LoriJis 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • LoriJis
    LoriJis

    Most of you know that my husband (iron hill) and I have been trying to do the fade from the witnesses....Here's the update! My husband's ex wife who is disfellowshipped decides all of a sudden that she wants to get reinstated - i guess cuz we decided not to go anymore - and the guilt of their daughters dying in Armageddon is killing her. But anyway, she asked us if we would be ok with her coming and taking the girls to the meetings on the weekends that are ours.....my husband denied. So she threatens us with "I'm gonna tell the elders why my daughters aren't with me at every weekend and that you don't allow it". That pissed me off. Why did she feel the need to give the information? My husband says is her only threat against us. Which I think is ridiculous. Well anyway we decide that we should make the decision to leave the organization on our terms. So we write a dissacioation letter and also a letter to each of our parents explaining the decision we have made.

    I have a few issues with the way things have to be done. First of all, i don't agree with the fact that the announcement made in the cong is the same announcement for disfellowshipping. they don't state is was a personal decision they just make it seem to whomever hears it that we did something wrong. Which I'm totally against because that way they are forcing our families to stop contact with us. Anyway, so I gave my parents the letter. My father the elder wasn't happy at all and is not really speaking to me - but he'll get over it. My mother understands my decision and while she's hurt and doesn't agree she assures me there will still be contact with me. I also spoke privately to my brother and sister and explained it to them and while I thought they would be upset and not talk to me, they surprisingly understood and said that we are always family. I was relieved. I know I will loose all my witness friends - which I don't agree with either - but it is what it is and they have to make their own decisions.

    My husband's family was not so understanding - which hurts. His brother did understand but his mother said some really selfish things to him. She said things would be different because love to Jehovah is above everything. But what about your son? Isnt he worth more? She also said she can't do anything for the "fall and end of his life and the woman you call your wife". Again, I'm upset because I was a good wife and now because I don't want to be a witness I'm not worthy of being a wife. Plus they blame the fact that he didn't return to the meetings on me.

    Here's the good part. We decided that we would turn in our disassociation letter this past weekend. But again wanted to make sure we talked to our families prior to. So we did. But on Friday night when my husband talked to his brother his brother said he knew something was going on because the elders had a judicial committee set up for us. Now my husband and his brother talked in private but when he came up he was upset and the first words were "I'm glad we are doing the letter because the elders have a judicial committee and they are going to disfellowship us in absence". Ok, so now I'm shocked to hear this. Apparently my husband's ex wife told the elders from her congregation EVERYTHING we did in hiding. The smoking, the holidays, the not going to the meetings.....EVERYTHING. So their elders called our elders and apparently a committee was formed. They said they supposedly contacted us and we didnt respond and told my brother in law to let us know of their decision. I have a few issues with this - and honestly as most of you know I still had reservations with making our exit public but this just did it for me.

    First of all, if all you have is what his ex wife said - that hearsay. You need proof and she doesn't have it. Secondly, she is supposed to come to us and tell us that she will talk to the elders and give US time to decide. If we don't talk to the elders then she has to come with a witness or second party - which she never did. Then the elders are supposed to contact us. They never called my husband or myself. I guess they assumed that since my husband ignored their calls before, that we would do it again. But here's the thing, they have my number too - so if he didnt answer they should have tried to call me. They should have tried to come by our house or something - it's not like we were in hiding. They know where we live. No attempts to contact us were made but yet they decided to take it upon themselves and form a judicial committee and disfellowship us based on hearsay from his ex-wife - who for all they know could just be trying to do things out of spite. They never investigated to make sure the allegations were true. I have a HUGE problem with that. How can they just do that? What makes them different that they don't have to follow their own rules?

    Funny also that his ex-wife's brother in law is one of the elders from our congregation. My brother in law told my husband that him and his wife were trashing us and putting us down. Well, aren't things among elders supposed to be confidential? Why are you talking to your wife about it or even more our families about it?

    Anyway, we did turn in the letter to the elders on Sat morning and a huge weight was lifted. I never thought I'd feel that way. What will come of our relationships with our families - i don't know. Will they stay true to their word?

    Its funny we took steps to eliminate any witness contacts. We took all witness contacts off our facebook pages. I have this need to be socially active and that will probably be the toughest thing for me because I don't have any friends now and I am starting from scratch. I moved to a new state when i got married 6 months ago and honestly haven't met people here. So that will be a challenge for me. But all in all, I am glad we did things on our own terms and that his ex-wife didnt get the satisfaction she wanted.

    But what does still bother me is the way the elders treated this case.....it was unjust and it was because of their own personal feelings to the fact that we became inactive witnesses. That's just wrong to me. So if anything gave me the push that I needed - this was it.

    Sorry for ranting, I just needed to talk about it with people that would understand and maybe feel the same way or have gone through something similar. Thanks for listening.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    It shouldn't be surprising but it still shocks me, too, to see how the congregation really works.

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    Doesn't sound to me like two valid witnesses - but the committee usually ends up doing just about anything they want to.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I love the way the elders accept the testimony from someone who is disfellowshipped, when it suits them.

    Never mind your priority now is to make sure they kids aren't indoctrinated and that you get on with your lives free from the organisation. Well Done!!

  • Billzfan23
    Billzfan23

    LoriJis,

    You are correct, they do spin it that wrongdoing took place - almost as if they could save face by intimating that it was their decision for you to go and not yours. Mine was much the same, an annoucement was made - with my 2 kids (ages 9 and 7 at the time) and there was a lot of crying and consoling going on during and after that meeting - my daughter even asked her mother why they just said something about Daddy - out loud right after the announcement. The whole thing just sucked A$$. My son to this day mentions that it made him sick to have elders and other well meaning brothers and sisters coming up to him after that meeting and telling him "Your heavenly father Jehovah will always be there for you". That was his next to last meeting, he went to the memorial the next week, then hasn't been back to the Kingdomhall with his mother since then (exactly 3 years ago now). He just turned 12 - and I'm so proud of what an individual thinker he is now.

    As far as your mentioning:

    I don't have any friends now and I am starting from scratch. I moved to a new state when i got married 6 months ago and honestly haven't met people here. So that will be a challenge for me.

    I would suggest getting into a hobby club, or connecting with people with whom you share a common interest. I started hanging out with coworkers more, joined a golf league, etc. Be proactive about inviting new people into your life.

    -Billzfan

  • VIII
    VIII

    Sorry to hear about the treatment you received.

    Nothing surprises me about the way Elders act. Nothing.

    Except, perhaps, the thread on here which is an Elder apologizing for the way he treated everyone. That was amazing.

    My sister and dad were DFd without them being there by Elders with an agenda. So, it happens much more than the average JW realizes.

  • dgp
    dgp

    LoriJis, you wrote:

    Though I'm not a witness, I've been here long enough to know what you're going through. It is very clear they are not fair.

    Personally, what I found revealing were these words you wrote.

    love to Jehovah is above everything. But what about your son? Isnt he worth more?

    The sad thing is that inside the WTS love for your dearly beloved ones does not come first. Not at all. Many people have found that, deep down, you should not blame your family for doing what they are doing. They are trapped in a set of rules that makes them behave this way and does not let them put love above all else. Let's hope they someday see the light. Your leaving opens a way out for others.

    Wish you the best.

  • LittleSister
    LittleSister

    Hi LoriJis,

    I am sorry to hear (but not surprised) at how these hypocrites have treated you and your husband. I can sympathise with your anger as I spent years being angry at the Elders in my ex-cong. Even by JW standards they have certainly acted outside the rules, but this seldom makes any difference in dub land.

    I hope you can now move on and that the reality of being disassociated is actually a lot easier and more liberating than you thought it would be. You are certainly not alone and will always find supportive friends here on JWN. If you ever want to chat or just get things off your chest feel free to send me a PM.

    Love Little Sis

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    I'm on Facebook...Quentin Robrts...come be my friend....got a good diverse group their...two of whhich are Terry and Randy Waters....

    Know this, some , not all, but some of those elders will one day be faced with what you are going through....best to you and yours.

  • dissed
    dissed

    And don't forget, the Elders in a JC, are similar to the Nazi's Gestappo. They do what they please, and answer to no one.

    They will justify any course of action they take, and some how, have lost whatever conscience they had.

    I know, I was once one of them.

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