by dgp 33 Replies latest jw friends
Contrary to what leavers think, God likes to have a unified people.
So it's easier for Him to figure out who to kill.
NOT ON THE ARK- Kill them.
NOT AN ISRAELITE IN THE PROMISED LAND- Kill them.
NOT A JW AT THE TIME OF THE END- Kill them.
There are more in the Bible, but that will suffice.
Sorry for trying to address the off-topic subject. Back to the show.
The first Christians believed in things that did not happen, like Jesus's Kingdom coming to Jerusalem.
A pretty incredible statement for a JW supporter to make. I thought the Watchtower taught that the first Christians were true Christians, and that they became apostate only after a couple or three hundred years. If you think about it, if the first Christians were not true Christians but instead false prophets, then what is the point of the whole religion???
It is also incredible that a current JW could criticize early Christians for believing in a false prophecy, given the record of 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and other dates on which no prophecy was seen to occur but was marked by the Watchtower.
I think this poster is positively obsessed by the idea of an "organization" (see his name and choice of threads to post). An idea and term which, BTW, does NOT occur in early Christian writings.
Those who stay are programmed to stay and haven't broken out of the cult programming. The only reason anyone who had broken out of the cult programming would stay is because of family commitments.
I believed in the hope, I believed that the NWT of the Bible was accurate, I believed that the quotes supporting my beliefs quoted in the publications were robust. I believed that what the organisation said was true so there was no alternative place for me and my family. I thought that everyone who left was either weak or selfish and what they had to say was irrelevant. I was controlled and didn't know it.
Once I learnt the way I had been misled and that the organisations beliefs are a mixture of lies and control I felt sick. It's like you are eating something you think is lovely and then someone tells you it's made from people.
I couldn't let my children make the sacrifices I had made when they were unnecessary.
For me…the only thing holding me back is my wife. And because of that, I’m trying very hard to keep my sanity while being a “consensus objector”. Its not driving me crazy yet…but some days are better than others. As the Spanish saying does…“No hay mal que dure 100 años, ni cuerpo que lo resista” (No ill could last 100 year, nor there is a body that could endure it for that long)
What’s holding her? I guess her biggest fear is to loose her friends and by extension the relationship with some members of her family that are JW. Also….I think that deep inside she doesn’t want to fully accept that this is not the so called “Truth”, that this is a damaged religion, and that 90% of the “theocratic” work done for the “society” in the name of GOD was a waste of time and energy. Also, fear of freedom.
when i was the age people start to leave i became a pioneer and married young and JW was my entire life!!!! Didn't start to look out side the box until i hated my marriage and didn't want to spend forever with him.... It took years for me to truly know they are 100% wrong
I am having a bit of trouble following you Ex...what religion are you describing that believes those things but do not tell about Jehovah? If you are an ex-JW, why do you defend the WTS?...are you trying to go back? I would love to understand your situation...
i talked to a couple of oldtimers monday who dont know my status-they said the wts NEVER told anyone 1975 was going to be the end of the age.are they lying or are they reprogramed?
In your opinion, what keeps them in?
At the very real possibility of being called a broken record, please indulge me. . .
Have you read 'Combatting Cult Mind Control' by Steve Hassan?
Most JWs are just like David Koresh's followers, prior to that disaster. They were incapable of leaving. They were "captive to the concept" that David Koresh was God's prophet. They would rather die than leave God's prophet.
Watchtower is not simply just another church, it's a high-control group, in which a subtle and all-invasive system of thought reform is present.
I will remind you and others. There is (essentially) only one reason that I escaped: A false positive blood test that led my wife's doctor to tell me that my unborn son would need an injection of reb blood cells. Had this one event not occurred, I would probably still be a JW. It was completely random.
They were controlling me 100%, up until the moment I snapped and began investigating the religion with a critical mind (as my heart raced with fear of apostates and demons).
i talked to a couple of oldtimers monday who dont know my status-they said the wts NEVER told anyone 1975 was going to be the end of the age.are they lying or are they reprogramed?
They're not lying. What they have said is true, in the strictest sense of the word. The organization merely STRONGLY SUGGESTED that it would be CONVENIENT IF the end came in 1975. The problem is, given the level of uncertainty involved, why publish such notions worldwide as "God's channel of communication"? After having already set several dates with nothing happening, why do it again? No one comes to the Kingdom Hall to hear opinions of men--they want to hear the Bible's absolute truth. So knowing that it was just speculation, what's the justification for putting it out there? Having been a born-in, and having scrutinized the reasoning behind that calculation, even as a true believer I can't see how anybody could've bought into their logic on the explanation for 1975 in the first place. I think it's more revealing that in recent times (ie. the past 3 decades), they have avoided using a specific year and stuck to a general time period, a "generation", which leaves a lot of room for wiggling if nothing happens for awhile (like the serious wiggling of the April 15th WT coming up). If you learned your lesson, learned humility, you wouldn't do things like that--simply create scenarios of plausible deniability for statements about the very coming of God's Kingdom that people are basing their lives on. And the reason for the 'unity' in the 'organization' is because anyone who disagrees is removed. It's like an army that shoots deserters boasting about how 'united' it is. Well, OBVIOUSLY! Dissent is not allowed. The early Christians struggled with lots of dissent in the congregations--Paul's letters alone show us that. Paul and others like him did their best to shoot down clearly wrong ideas that were being taught by some. But were all of those people summarily thrown out, over issues that were on shaky scriptural foundations? No. People who denied the resurrection or that Jesus came in the flesh--obviously wrong, from the Christian's perspective. But a guy who doesn't buy into 1914? Today, he's on Satan's side. Paul would flip his lid if he heard somebody teaching something like that. That in itself would be an example of something that just creates questions for research instead of leading to something upbuilding. Back to the question, well, I stayed in after I knew it was a cult because I wanted to avoid the hassle of being shunned by much of my family. And I wanted to keep an eye out in case something immediately dangerous was ordered by the Governing Body (ie. Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones).
