"We're not here to convince you this is the truth."

by sd-7 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    Those were the words of an elder during my judicial committee. It's weird that they suddenly came to me, weeks later.

    I can't help recalling the disappointment I felt when I heard that. If it's not their job to convince me of the truth, then what were they there for? Simply to punish? Aren't shepherds in the congregation SUPPOSED to help people to see the truth? I couldn't help thinking, is it just that they don't care, or that they don't want to make any real effort to do so, or that they are incapable of doing so? Was it easier to remove me than to spend time doing something other than asking me if I accepted the 'faithful slave' as "God's channel of communication" in a way that seemed so rehearsed?

    How much research did they do? Did they do any? We hardly even read any scriptures. Yet the Bible's truth was supposed to be what would snatch me out of the fire. Right?

    Were they suggesting that after you've studied the appropriate publications and gotten baptized, that you no longer need any help to be convinced of the truth? If my life was really involved, why not present serious scriptural data to help me see my error?

    As I later told my wife, out of everything that I was put through--with her, the elders, my brother the theocratic bulldozer, my mom--not one of them sat down with me, opened the Bible, and showed me thoroughly where I was wrong.

    Matthew 24:45 was the main scripture I was first confronted with, a scripture that cannot conclusively prove that a "faithful and discreet slave class" was appointed in the year 1919 by Jesus Christ, 5 years after his invisible presence in heaven began. (By the way, if he's still in heaven, hasn't he ALWAYS been invisibly present? "I am with you ALL THE DAYS until the conclusion of the systems of things."--Matthew 28:20) To draw that conclusion, you would have to make a significant leap beyond what was actually said.

    So, if the job of each JW is to go out and convince people of the truth, which we are willing to spend several months or even a year or more to do, why do the elders feel it is not their responsibility to convince a doubting person, who once and for a long time greatly appreciated the doctrine, of the truth? I think the shepherd who decides to abandon his sheep to the wolves because it's apparently not worth the effort may be more like the "hired man" in John chapter 10, who does not care for the sheep at all. The fine shepherd was willing to die rather than see his sheep be harmed. The elders were willing to spend less time to save one sheep than an average publisher would spend in field service for one month. Or even half a month.

    I find that to be a very telling set of circumstances.

  • darkl1ght3r
    darkl1ght3r

    Well stated. That was my experience as well. Exactly in fact. It still boggles my mind that they can reason that way. I'm sure they've received "protocals" how to deal with individuals that end up in our situation, where the impetus is on getting rid of the individual instead of spending time "helping" them.

    If what they have is "the truth" and I am in error, then it should be a simple matter to show me where I am wrong, yet my mother was the only one who took any time at all to address the issues I raised. That is, it should be simple IF the facts were on their side.

  • nugget
    nugget

    It says out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks. Their words reveal what was in their heart. They didn't want to save you they wanted to purge the congregation of a bad influence.

    It is a real shame that they would rather throw you to the wolves than try and save your life.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    Love your story and reasoning's man. Keep your head up and hang in there.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    I hate to say it, and I apologize in advance for this comment - I don't want to hurt you, or devalue you, or anything like that...

    But,.... If someone had said or done something like that to ME: "Was it easier to remove me than to spend time doing something [like helping you...] other than asking me if I accepted the 'faithful slave' as "God's channel of communication" in a way that seemed so rehearsed?...

    My assumption would be that they had ALREADY judged me, condemned me, and considered me too far 'gone' to deserve any further effort to "save"...

    I personally had to deal with "projection" from my parents and many other JWs - some 'worldly' people, too... Tho I think "displacement" is actually a bit more accurate... People tend to look at me and 'project' THEIR attitudes, feelings of discontent, flaws, whatever - upon ME - and then attack ME for their flaws... Started out when I was a baby and allegedly 'ruined' my parents' marriage...

    Keep your eye open for other psychological issues being lobbed onto you by these people, since you're now a convenient scapegoat... You probably don't deserve ANY of the disdain, coldness, shallow pettiness or smug superiority being aimed at you, but it makes THEM feel better to 'dominate' someone else. Some people like to 'kick a man while he's down'...

    Of course, the whole reason the WTBTS doesn't want elders - or any other JWs - spending lots of time 'helping' those who have gotten ENOUGH information to clearly see the Gov.Bod's 'house of cards', is that the WTBTS might lose yet MORE members as a result... Those who are leaving with accurate information probably WON'T come back - unless dragged back in by the 'shunning'/'JW relatives being held "hostage" cruelties of the Gov.Bod/WTBTS...

    Zid

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    As I later told my wife, out of everything that I was put through--with her, the elders, my brother the theocratic bulldozer, my mom--not one of them sat down with me, opened the Bible, and showed me thoroughly where I was wrong.

    Ditto. I pointed this out to a few JWs; not one of them had tried to show me how they had the truth and I was wrong.

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    sd, I was an elder when I left. I'd come in 25 years ago when I was an atheist. I was appointed as a servant the same month I started regular pioneering while I was working full-time. I pioneered for 15 years while working full-time and I only came off the list 5 years after I was appointed as an elder because I simply couldn't keep it up. I feel like I gave everything I had to this project and I faced the same kind of thinking towards the end. The difference was that I could see what was going to happen because they went after my wife (who also pioneered for 14 years until her health wouldn't allow it) because she had questions and made the mistake of thinking it was ok to question things in the same manner as the Bereans. The two elders that came in like snakes said "you can talk about anything you want to at home among yourselves, just not with anyone else." these two snakes were ex-bethelites and were smarmy yes-men.

    Our leaving was a matter of personal integrity. Once we found out what they'd been hiding from us, we had to choose.

    I feel that the organization made out like they were interested in truth with a capital T while we were coming in and now that we know enough to make corrections to THEM they pull rank.

    They abandoned the path. Unfortunately for me and my wife, we spent all the time and energy we did on a group that was being led by a group that had long ago knowingly abandoned any search for truth before we even got involved.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Sd-7 said:

    If it's not their job to convince me of the truth, then what were they there for? Simply to punish? Aren't shepherds in the congregation SUPPOSED to help people to see the truth?
    ...
    As I later told my wife, out of everything that I was put through--with her, the elders, my brother the theocratic bulldozer, my mom--not one of them sat down with me, opened the Bible, and showed me thoroughly where I was wrong.

    This is a great point. And as Password Protected added, this was his experience, too.

    That is indeed very telling. They aren't there to convince you because they know they cannot.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    "We`re not here to convince you this is the Truth"

    LOL!!..

    It`s rare to see JW`s speaking truthfully..

    JW`s don`t care about Truth.

    The JW Cult is about Extortion..Join our JW Cult or Die..

    Obey our rules or we`ll ruin your life..Walk away and we`ll ruin your life..

    The WBT$ and the JW Cult are Religious Gangsters..

    ......................... ...OUTLAW

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Perhaps they should read again Jude 22 :-

    "Also, continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; 23 save [them] by snatching [them] out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while YOU hate even the inner garment that has been stained by the flesh."

    If they did care about you they would indeed go "the extra mile" to try and rescue you from oblivion - if that that is really what they believe.

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