The wage of sin is death... yeah, right.

dgp

If the wage of sin is death, how come trees die, too?

Heartbreaker

Have you seen what they do to their fruit and their berries?

JWoods

Or animals. Death is part of the natural progression of all life on earth.

The religious idea about human death surrounding judeo-christianity is that humans die because they are guilty of something. And yet, scientifically speaking, humans die from the same bio-chemical reasons that plants and other animals die.

And it is an extreme stretch to think that trees, birds, fish, and insects are "sinners".

LostGeneration

Trees are evil too...ya know they try to imitate phallic symbols:

Chalam

If the wage of sin is death, how come trees die, too?

Genesis 3:17 (New International Version)

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
Blessings,
Stephen

sir82

Aha....so based on Genesis 3:17, trees never died prior to Adam's sin? And if Adam hadn't sin, no trees would ever have died?

Cool!

Except eventually the earth would get pretty crowded, with all those immortal trees sproutin' up & all.

sabastious

To add further, once you die you get a 'free ride' to the New System because of this scripture... So why have Christ's ransom if just living out 1 earthly life will accomplish the same thing?

Christ died for our sins (according to Christainity)

The punishment for Sin is death (according to the Bible)

So once you die, you have served your sentance... seems to me that Christ died for nothing since according to this scripture there is ANOTHER way to pay for sin.

-Sab

dgp

Do we need to think that Jesus died for the sins of a cabbage, then?

sabastious

Another interesting point. Is that the Bible makes stark difference from just 'dying on earth' in some way, and 'being thrown into Gehenna' by God.

Adam and Eve's punishment was death (on that day they shall certainly die), not Gehenna which is Eternal Death. So logically ONE death would suffice for serving the punishment of Sin. Not ETERNAL death. Which means God would have no problem ressurecting ANYONE who has died onto Heaven or Earth, regardless of his past deeds or religious affiliations.

-Sab

dgp

The other points that need to be raised, then, is what proof we have that there are two different kinds of death, how it is that humans can die two kinds of death, and how it is that animals and plants die only one kind of death, or then not Gehenna. Sorry, Sabastious, but you're left owing an explanation here.

Also, I would like to know whether the "kind of death" that we mean in "The wage of sin is death" is NOT Gehenna. But that is for later; first I have to know what proof we have of death being a thing of two kinds.

The wage of sin is death... yeah, right.

Genesis 3:17 (New International Version)

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