Rated R Movies?

by NikL 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    The rating system is really kind of screwy too. If you're watching a scene where a martial artist throws a knife at someone, it's PG-13, but if you use a Chinese throwing star, for some reason it becomes an R rating.

    If two people are making out and kiss and the woman removes her blouse and you see her naked back, it's PG-13. Fade to black. If two women and a man are making out and kiss, it's still PG-13. If the two women kiss, even if one removes her blouse and is nude from the back or side, it's PG-13 as long as you don't see a nipple.

    But, if the man takes off his shirt, and you see a woman's nipple or both woman's nipple, same scene, it's rated R all of a sudden. So, what a director will do to keep a PG-13 rating is simply have the man unbutton his shirt rather than completely remove it, and the women cover their nipples with a carefully draped arm or hand, or some article of clothing. Then, you can do that threesome making out scene all you want.

    Male frontal nudity almost always gets you an NC-17 if it's in a sexual situation. A man just walking naked in the distance is still an R, barely. Female frontal nudity in a sexual situation is a mere R, because female frontal nudity isn't deemed "aggressively sexual" by the ratings board.

    It's all very um...illogical, when you read the little things that get you from PG-13 to R, then from R to NC-17.

    OH, and you can't show actual acts of sex, especially showing an erect penis, without a triple X rating in America and a zillion legal disclaimers that are supposed to guarantee that no one under 18 will ever see it....right.

  • heathen
    heathen

    Yah they have been in so many words , when you read the keep yourself in Gods love book they have a chapter about avoiding graphic violence or sexual content and bad language. They can't see any movies or watch most tv , explains why they are a bunch of uptight ,self centered jerks.

  • ana_dote
    ana_dote

    asilentone - I don't remember if there were any sex scenes or not...I think when they were picking out the movie to rent, they were trying to pick one that wouldn't have so much sex in it....we watched that Dominoe movie or whatever....with keira nightly as the bounty hunter....so I don't remember there being too many opportunities for a sex scene but that movie was SO FREAKIN VIOLENT. Very graphic. And the most her mom said was "boy this is violent"....and yet continued letting us watch the movie....even though her daughter (my friend that I was there to visit) was only like...16/17.

    None of it makes any sense because every movie has varying degrees of inappropriateness....some movies are simply rated R because of their political content or because they're presenting radical ideas.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    I've noticed that movies and TV are violent and sexual because humans are.

    Sorry, but if you're making a move or TV series about cops in a major city and there's never any violent acts by criminals, how realistic is that going to be?

    If you're making a romantic movie about two adults and no one ever seems to do anything but hold hands and skip about, then it's also pretty unrealistic. I don't mean that you have to be showing or writing explicit sexual acts or body parts flying off all the time, but life has some sex and violence in it sometimes.

    Being even an amateur writer, I can tell you it's pretty damn hard to write a story that has absolutely no sex or violence in it if you're going into historical events, personal stories or people's lives in any depth at all.

    I think the word "gratuitous" applies, and that's also subjective. Gratuitous means just thrown into a story for shock effect, the plot or story can be told without it.

    I'm not a big fan of gratuitous sex or violence unless I know up front that it's the point of the thing in and of itself. Erotica is written for the purpose of entertaining a person with sexual situations and descriptions, for instance. Tell me it's that up front and I know what I'm getting into.

    The JWs are living in a fantasy world, deliberately. They don't want any of the realities of this world impinging on their lives, and seem to like to pretend that no one has sex in the realm of fiction, or is involved in a violent situation, either by choice or otherwise.

  • ana_dote
    ana_dote

    You know...thinking about what mindmelda said about JWs living in a fantasy world....it's funny to think how they try SO HARD to shield every JW from sex....and yet sex is supposed to be a "gift from God" and that one is supposed to enjoy their mate.....but because they suppress even the mentino of sex, they turn it into something evil.

    Yet another way they twist things.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    Well, I feel like the WTS talks out of both sides of their mouths about sex. When I realized after some digging that they were originally intending to be like the Shakers and remain celibate until the Lord came right away in 1874 which then got bumped up to 1914, and then...well, it just kept getting bumped up and they realized that that celibacy thing wasn't going to go over too well.

    Dealing with sex and family matters wasn't originally part of the WTS thinking at all. They just ignored it for the most part, and it wasn't until the fifties or somewhere in there that adultery and fornication were DF offenses at all.

    But, all of a sudden, you get Knorr in there who apparently was a big old Puritan with a capital P (the worlds oldest virgin or something like that) and designated the WTS the sex police, and then we got years of long embarrassing articles on how all sex but marital sex in certain modest positions was a naughty naughty and God would spank for it...unless you were into that sort of thing and then you had to feel guilty about that too.

    Knorr was also a big old homophobe, hated hippies, beards, blue jeans and sneakers, all of which he came down on like the wrath of God, and quickly had the WTS cranking out articles condemning all this stuff day and night.

    It's easy to find scriptures that will help you condemn darn near anything, as you can discover yourself by running down the street yelling, "God hates __________!, fill in the blank with the act or group of your choice, and then cite any random scripture that sounds like God is pissed at humans for being human, and you can either get sent to the funny farm or start your own hate based religion in one easy step!

    But, yeah, the "EW sex is nasty" with the WTS pretty much started with Knorr, who wasn't getting any himself for a long time (I guess he finally married and let up on this a bit and started railing against tobacco and drugs instead) and thought he'd ruin sex for all the other JWs too.

  • blondie
    blondie

    US Movie Ratings

    A G-rated motion picture contains nothing in theme, language, nudity, sex, violence or other matters that, in the view of the Rating Board, would offend parents whose younger children view the motion picture. The G rating is not a “certificate of approval,” nor does it signify a “children’s” motion picture. Some snippets of language may go beyond polite conversation but they are common everyday expressions. No stronger words are present in G-rated motion pictures. Depictions of violence are minimal. No nudity, sex scenes or drug use are present in the motion picture. A PG-rated motion picture should be investigated by parents before they let their younger children attend. The PG rating indicates, in the view of the Rating Board, that parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, and parents should make that decision.

    The more mature themes in some PG-rated motion pictures may call for parental guidance. There may be some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity. But these elements are not deemed so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned beyond the suggestion of parental guidance. There is no drug use content in a PG-rated motion picture.

    A PG-13 rating is a sterner warning by the Rating Board to parents to determine whether their children under age 13 should view the motion picture, as some material might not be suited for them. A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.

    An R-rated motion picture, in the view of the Rating Board, contains some adult material. An R-rated motion picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements, so that parents are counseled to take this rating very seriously. Children under 17 are not allowed to attend R-rated motion pictures unaccompanied by a parent or adult guardian. Parents are strongly urged to find out more about R-rated motion pictures in determining their suitability for their children. Generally, it is not appropriate for parents to bring their young children with them to R-rated motion pictures.

    An NC-17 rated motion picture is one that, in the view of the Rating Board, most parents would consider patently too adult for their children 17 and under. No children will be admitted. NC-17 does not mean “obscene” or “pornographic” in the common or legal meaning of those words, and should not be construed as a negative judgment in any sense. The rating simply signals that the content is appropriate only for an adult audience. An NC-17 rating can be based on violence, sex, aberrational behavior, drug abuse or any other element that most parents would consider too strong and therefore off-limits for viewing by their children.

    http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

    British Movie Ratings

    The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has the responsibility of providing British movie ratings along with British video ratings. Using an employed board of 16 examiners and 3 senior examiners, each movie is usually viewed by 2 people who apply one of the following classifications:

    RatingDescription
    UUniversal, suitable for all.
    PGAll ages admitted, but Parental Guidance is recommended. It is the board's policy that movies rated "PG" should not disturb a child of about 8 years of age or older; however, "parents are advised to consider whether the content may upset young or more sensitive children."
    12No one under 12 years of age may see a "12" film or rent or buy a "12" video.
    15No one under 15 years of age may see a "15" film or rent or buy a "15" video.
    18Suitable only for adults. No one under 18 years of age may see an "18" film or rent or buy an "18" video.
    R18To be supplied only in licensed sex shops to adults of not less than 18 years of age.

    The BBFC's movie ratings are not enforced by national legislation, leaving local jurisdictions the power to overrule the movie ratings provided by the BBFC. For instance, David Cronenberg's Crash was rated 18 by the board, yet banned from exhibition by some local jurisdictions (notably Westminster).

    However, in 1984, the BBFC was deputized as having authority to provide video ratings necessary for the new Video Recordings Act. To this day, the BBFC's ratings provide legislated control over the sale and rental of videotapes and DVDs throughout the U.K.

    With this responsibility, the BBFC has recognized the inherent differences between video and theatrical viewing. For instance, young people may view a video repeatedly, allowing them to more accurately mimic undesirable behaviors such as illegal drug use. As well, it is understood that a video may be watched without adults present, and is shown with far less control than a theatrical presentation. As a result, the BBFC may classify movies released on video into a more restrictive rating than when the same movie was available in theaters.

    Further, with new DVD technologies providing additional content such as deleted scenes, documentaries, and production commentaries, the BBFC is determined to account for all content on a DVD disc and provide one classification. Thus, a DVD may be classified more restrictively due to sexual, violent, or profane content in this extra material.

    At this time, the BBFC is only rating videogames that have strong sexual or violent themes, or those that encourage or stimulate sex, violence, or criminal activity.

    http://www.parentpreviews.com/movie-ratings/uk

    German movie ratings

    Germany

    The Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle der Filmwirtschaft (Voluntary Self-Regulation of the Film Industry, FSK) has a film classification system under which films are classified into one of the following categories:

    • Ohne Altersbeschränkung (FSK 0): no age restriction (white sign)
    • Freigegeben ab 6 Jahren (FSK 6): no children younger than 6 years admitted (yellow sign)
    • Freigegeben ab 12 Jahren (FSK 12): children 12 or older admitted, children between 7 and 11 only when accompanied by parent or legal guardian (green sign)
    • Freigegeben ab 16 Jahren (FSK 16): children 16 or older admitted (blue sign)
    • Keine Jugendfreigabe (FSK 18): "no youth admitted", only adults. This rating was previously called "Nicht freigegeben unter 18 Jahren." (red sign)
  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    The movie ratings, which as an author, I have to know and observe also, to rate fiction posted online or the web site owner could be sued for corrupting minors, is kind of a joke in the movie industry.

    I have a friend who used to be a script editor for "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman" and she'd have to edit scripts to be a G as possible, but there were tricky ways to get around it if they really wanted to for this family oriented TV series.

    Finding reasons for the main male character, who was admittedly a hunk, to remove his outer clothing and not have it be overtly sexual and therefore bump them up to oh, horrors, PG or even PG-13 was one of the challenges of her job.

    But, those female viewers wanted him to be shirtless as often as possible. LOL And in that loin cloth...oooh, wowsa.

  • ana_dote
    ana_dote

    omg i loved Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman! HAHAHA! That's takin it BACK!

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    I was in my late teens before I saw an r rated movie--that sort of thing just wasn't allowed. I remember being shocked that most r rated movies were not full of demonic stuff and wanton nudity.

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