Do you disagree with the Atheist's 21 commandments?

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  • dgp
    dgp

    People, here are the atheist's 21 commandments. It would be interesting to know how many people on this board disagree with them or find them wrong.

    1. We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

    2. We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

    3. We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life.

    4. We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.

    5. We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.

    6. We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.

    7. We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

    8. We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so that they will be able to help themselves.

    9. We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race, religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of humanity.

    10. We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.

    11. We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.

    12. We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

    13. We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

    14. We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.

    15. We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We want to nourish reason and compassion.

    16. We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

    17. We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still to be made in the cosmos.

    18. We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.

    19. We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

    20. We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance, joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.

    21. We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    Nothing wrong with any of that.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Except "we believe". There is no we for me.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    Well, I never thought about that...who is the "we"? I guess if atheists are organized, they're an organization. If you're an organization who "believes" that's awfully close to a religion.

    Probably too close to one for some people who just can't find any reason to believe in God. I suspect a good many atheists have as many gripes with religion as the do with philosophical reasons for not believing in God, as religion is the chief way that God gets all that PR.

  • chickpea
    chickpea

    more like doctrines than commandments....

    nothing about them seems foreign to my outlook

    reminiscent of this >>>

    An atheist's creed

    I believe in time,
    matter, and energy,
    which make up the
    whole of the world.

    I believe in reason, evidence
    and the human mind,the only tools we have;
    they are the product of natural forces
    in a majestic but impersonal universe,
    grander and richer than we can imagine,
    a source of endless opportunities for discovery.

    I believe in the power of doubt;
    I do not seek out reassurances,
    but embrace the question,
    and strive to challenge my own beliefs.

    I accept human mortality.

    We have but one life,
    brief and full of struggle,
    leavened with love and community,
    learning and exploration,
    beauty and the creation of
    new life, new art, and new ideas.

    I rejoice in this life that I have,
    and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,
    and an earth that will abide without me.

    PZ Meyer

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    Commandments for atheists? You've got to be kidding!

    Who or what AUTHORITY issued them? Can you be kicked out the the Atheists if you don't OBEY the COMMANDMENTS?

    BTW, These are ripped off directly from Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles.

    Big difference!

    ~Sue

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Call them suggestions, maybe. Also, many of them have nothing that directly links to atheism. A lot of points listed can be ideals even for people who profess belief in deities.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    2. We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

    Many people are seeking peace or seeking answers. Especially having been a believer once myself, I cannot "deplore" sincere efforts of sincere people regardless of our disagreements. Example: Eastern religion is full of philosophy, Christianity teaches values. I understand how religion hurts people, detracts people from giving credit to humanity, wastes money, but still totally disagree with this. 4. We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.

    Boy, that one smacks of promoting a certain political view. Actually, while it has never been implemented correctly, I believe in a fully communistic society where all work for the greater good of everyone and we each give our best. I am glad I live in a democracy because my "utopia" won't ever exist.

    5. We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.

    I agree that it would be nice, but I am not committed to anything. "Committed" means to me that I work for that. I just want personal peace of mind. I am committed to doing good, but not to some cause. Sorry if that's a cop-out but I want to retain my JW family and expand my mind while doing no harm in the world.

    7. We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

    Now, that's a better word than "committed." "Concerned" fits for me. I am also concerned about how we can acheive separation of church and state.

    9. We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race, religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of humanity.

    That sounds like my communism answer. I like it.

    10. We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.

    11. We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.

    12. We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence. Numbers 10, 11, 12 all sing to me.

    20. We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance, joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.

    I strive for optimism but still have pessimism. I strive for the positive things listed here, but have not been able to totally shake the negative ones, except for that "sin" one. "Sin" is defined by religion. Sure, there are plenty of immoral things that hurt people and we should feel guilt, but letting the word "sin" enter in allows religion to tell us that women wearing pants or adults enjoying each other are acts of sin requiring repentance.

    Mostly, the ones I didn't comment on are okay. But the "we" part sounds like the start of a new atheist following, kind of like a religion.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    Hmm, ONTHEWAYOUT makes some good points....some of these things actually sort of contradict each other.

    Oh, well, we wouldn't be mere mortals if we didn't contradict ourselves quite a bit.

    I've read Marx and actually socialism has some appealing aspects as far as an economic theory, which is probably why I'm not as scared of it as some people are. Marx gave people certain ideas that are considered rights for Americans by a lot of people, such as forming labor unions. Really, those were one of his ideas.

    There is a such thing as Democratic Socialism, you know. That thing that a lot of people say they're are scared of and describe it as the government having too much power and controlling everything isn't really socialism. It's totalitarianism.

    Theoretically, you could actually have Democratic Communism if the majority voted it in and could keep deciding if it were in their best interests or not.

    Democracy is simply what Thomas Jefferson described it as..."A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people can take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

    It's true...you saw good old democracy in action when Obama muscled in health care reform and took advantage of a temporary majority vote in his party. That's all it means, is rule by the majority, even if that majority is a slim one or two percent, it's enough.

    If you hated that....well, you're not really a fan of democracy, I guess. *G*

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Just stupid. I agree with part of them, but certainly not all.

    Who has established themselves as authority to establish 'commandments' for millions of diverse people who just happen not to believe in God? Might as well have stayed in religion if we wanted someone to define what we think!

    Jeff

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