It pains me

by Weeping 30 Replies latest jw friends

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  HintOfLime

  The problem is that you make no attempt to establish common ground with the readers - points both can agree upon. Instead you assume that because you believe the bible is the word of god, etc., that automatically everyone else should... and then without any common ground you say all these things that - to those that do not share your beliefs - just come across as madness.

  If I believed that 1 = 3... and then went on and on about how all mathematics was wrong, and that that all mathematicians were liars, and math teachers were out to corrupt our children with their lies... you'd probably would think I was nuts, and be just as inclined to mock my viewpoint as those have done to you. If on the other hand, I could come up with a compelling, logical argument as to why 1 = 3, starting with facts we could agree on, and build up a strong case as to why 1 = 3... only then might you entertain the idea that mathematicians may be aware of and hiding this information intentionally.

  That is why there is so much discussion regarding who wrote the bible and is it scientific and historical accuracy - because all the higher points are moot until a foundation of agreement is established. Unfortunately there tends to be no way to reach agreement, as the bible is often at odds with historical, astronomical, and fossil evidence.

  If you really want to really reach people and change their mind on a subject - you must first establish a foundation of agreement, and then logically build from there, one step at a time. If God is real, and he really expects you to convert people, then he would be fully aware that you can't change a person's entire world-view overnight. It is a grandual process that involves re-evaluating, re-thinking, and re-training the neural connections of the brain to perceive the world in a different way. If God is knowing this, then it would be irrational for him to ask or expect you to instantly convert people without due process. He would understand that changing people's minds takes time, solid information, and logical arguments that hold up under critism.

  - Lime
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  Heaven

  Yeah, 24 years ago my Dad was the same. But he never brought one person into the organization nor did he have a Bible Study. So if this is the best thing since sliced bread, why aren't people scrambling to join?

  Trying to force your beliefs on other people just alienates them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof -- even the Bible requires proof (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

  Do you have any?

  Let's start with the foundational question -- Do you have undeniable, irrefutable proof of the existence of God? If so, let's see it.

  Because if you cannot produce proof, then everything else is moot.
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  OnTheWayOut

  If your neighbor and you are both staring at his house while his family is inside, and you say "Its on fire!" and he says "No, its not," then your obligation is over. You see flames roaring where he sees no proof whatsoever. If you are so sure that Satan is blinding him without proof of that, then just chill out. You fulfilled your obligation.
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  Robdar

  I admit that my thoughts are shocking..

  No, your thoughts are poorly reasoned out and you offer no proof to back them up. For example, your thread regarding Helen Keller being an occultist who invented sign language. Before you make such outrageous accusations about innocent people, why don't you try a little research?

  Your problem is you. You are negative and you see the devil everywhere. You focus more energy on the devil than you do on God. I ask you in all sincerity, when you see the devil more than God, who truly possesses your mind?

  I say this to you as kindly as I can: You've got problems and you insist on making your problems our problems. What you need is therapy and medication. I have a feeling that I am not the first to tell you this.

  We have a saying in Judaism: "If one person calls you an ass, ignore him. If more than one person calls you an ass, it might be time to invest in a bridle and saddle. "
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  JWoods

  No, your thoughts are poorly reasoned out and you offer no proof to back them up. For example, your thread regarding Helen Keller being an occultist who invented sign language.

  I have to concur with Robdar. That Helen Keller thread contributed nothing here but sarcasm and ridicule. It was readily proved that the whole premise was nonsense by several who knew about ASL.

  I looked back on your post record - every single thread you have made here has been a rant on Satanism.

  Can't you think of ANYTHING else to post on except the Devil and the Demons?
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  bluecanary

  Perhaps you don't agree with me, but please understand that I am sincere in trying to warn you.

  As are the people who are trying tell you you're crazy.

  I mean no unkindness to anyone, but someone needs to stand uncompromisingly for what is right.

  Of course, by uncompromising, you mean completely closed to facts, evidence, information and persuasion that don't support your view.

  We have a saying in Judaism: "If one person calls you an ass, ignore him. If more than one person calls you an ass, it might be time to invest in a bridle and saddle. "

  Love it.
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  leavingwt

  Good luck!
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  rockmehardplace

  i had a cereal for breakfast you would enjoy. coocoo for cocoa puffs
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  wobble

  I am intrigued that you believe the bible is the Word of god, what proof do you have for that please ?

  And, Bless you.

  Wobble
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  mrsjones5

  I'm sorry Weeping I just don't take you seriously. I think you either have a chemical imbalance or you're bi-polar because of your tragic obsession with seeing the devil everywhere in everything. It's kinda sad.